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EarlySDA wrote:

I'm still not clear on what it means to be "defiled" by these women.

Does it mean that those not defiled were never members of these fallen churches?

Or does it mean that when the Loud Cry goes that they will already have been out of those fallen churches?

Or does it mean that any time before Probation closes that they will have left those fallen churches?

Or is it possible to be a SDA member in good standing and still be "defiled" with these women?


The context of Revelation 14:4 appears to be the victorious 144,000, and thus it would not make sense to say that they are defiled in any way.

However, at earlier stages, the church is in fact not fully purified, and thus there is some defilement within the church.

The first quote below is a very familiar one, and talks about how the church is purified over time.  The second quote below applies this same principle specifically to the 144,000 -- it talks both about their past, and their present victorious experience.

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Satan will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme.  The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall.  It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out -- the chaff separated from the precious wheat.  This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.  None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths.  We must be divested of our self-righteousness and arrayed in the righteousness of Christ.  {2SM 380.2}

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A transformation has taken place, and you are a different man.  You are not the same passionate man that you used to be.  You are not the same worldly man that you were.  You are not the man that was giving way to lust and evil passions, evil surmisings and evil speakings.  You are not this man at all, because a transformation has taken place.  What is it?  The image of Christ reflected in you.  Then you are bearing in view that there is a company to stand by and by on Mount Zion, and you want to be one of that company, and you are determined that you will form a part of that company.  Let me read: [Revelation 14:1-3, quoted.]  {1SAT 72.2} 

Why were they [the 144,000] so specially singled out?  Because they had to stand with a wonderful truth right before the whole world, and receive their opposition, and while receiving this opposition they were to remember that they were sons and daughters of God, that they must have Christ formed within them the hope of glory.  They were ever keeping in view the great and blessed hope that is before them.  What is it?  It is an eternal weight of glory.  Nothing could surpass it.  {1SAT 72.3} 



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Great find R!!  Love those quotes. 

glad to see early sda posting as your email has been hacked and I was worried 



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Revelation 17:5

 

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

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she is the mother (woman)  of harlots  (women) .



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Revelation 17:5

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

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 she is the mother (woman)  of harlots  (women) .


I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth.  Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them.  She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints.  I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother.  {SpM 1.4} 



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Thank you. 



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Revelation 14:8

And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

 

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Babylon was originally a city and tower in the land of Shinar.  
Man tried to save himself from another flood.

Instead, God confused their language and stopped the construction of the tower.

Babylon symbolizes confusion.

How fitting today as so many people and churches are filled with confusion.

Satan has filled the earth with lies and false doctrines.  

The  wine is symbolic of her false doctrines.

 

 

 



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Babylon today is the Mother of all harlots. She has her daughters too that follow her and do the same things. 

She is a persecuting power. She has persecuted the saints of God in the past and will do so again in the future.

She claims to be god on earth and has all the elements of a counterfeit religion. She claims to have all power and authority 

and wants the worship of all people on earth. 

But God says Babylon is fallen , IS FALLEN!  Notice that scripture repeats the phrase: is fallen, is fallen. This means that there are 2 falls.  The first is the Beast and the second is the false prophet. 



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In Revelation 14 the first angel is followed by a second proclaiming: "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."  Revelation 14:8.  The term "Babylon" is derived from "Babel," and signifies confusion.  It is employed in Scripture to designate the various forms of false or apostate religion.  In Revelation 17 Babylon is represented as a woman -- a figure which is used in the Bible as the symbol of a church, a virtuous woman representing a pure church, a vile woman an apostate church.  {GC 381.1} 

In the Bible the sacred and enduring character of the relation that exists between Christ and His church is represented by the union of marriage.  The Lord has joined His people to Himself by a solemn covenant, He promising to be their God, and they pledging themselves to be His and His alone.  He declares: "I will betroth thee unto Me forever; yea, I will betroth thee unto Me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in loving-kindness, and in mercies."  Hosea 2:19.  And, again: "I am married unto you."  Jeremiah 3:14.  And Paul employs the same figure in the New Testament when he says: "I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."  2 Corinthians 11:2.  {GC 381.2} 

The unfaithfulness of the church to Christ in permitting her confidence and affection to be turned from Him, and allowing the love of worldly things to occupy the soul, is likened to the violation of the marriage vow.  The sin of Israel in departing from the Lord is presented under this figure; and the wonderful love of God which they thus despised is touchingly portrayed: "I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest Mine."  "And thou wast exceeding beautiful and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.  And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through My comeliness, which I had put upon thee ... But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown."  "As a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel, saith the Lord;" "as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!"  Ezekiel 16:8, 13-15, 32; Jeremiah 3:20.  {GC 381.3} 

In the New Testament, language very similar is addressed to professed Christians who seek the friendship of the world above the favor of God.  Says the apostle James: "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God?  whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."  {GC 382.1} 



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Revelation 14:9

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

 

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it is a loud cry

the 3rd angel warns against worship of the beast  

if we accept the teachings and commandments of the beast, we worship the beast 

If we yield to the pressures of apostate protestantism as it joins hands with the civil power to enforce the mark of the beast we will receive her mark

the papal mark of Sunday worship will be enforced by civil law

we can only hold strong to Gods commandments by strength given to us by the faith of Jesus

 



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The "Loud Cry" is started by the Revelation 18 angel. 

Here is the entire "The Loud Cry" chapter from the 1858 Great Controversy book (bolding added):

I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven.  They were descending to earth, and again ascending to heaven, preparing for the fulfilment of some important event.  Then I saw another mighty angel commissioned to descend to earth, and unite his voice with the third angel, and give power and force to his message.  Great power and glory were imparted to the angel, and as he descended, the earth was lightened with his glory.  The light which went before and followed after this angel, penetrated everywhere, as he cried mightily, with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.  The message of the fall of Babylon, as given by the second angel, is again given, with the addition of the corruptions which have been entering the churches since 1844.  The work of this angel comes in at the right time, and joins in the last great work of the third angel's message, as it swells into a loud cry.  And the people of God are fitted up everywhere to stand in the hour of temptation which they are soon to meet.  I saw a great light resting upon them, and they united in the message, and fearlessly proclaimed with great power the third angel's message.

Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven, and I heard voices which seemed to sound everywhere, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues; for her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.  This message seemed to be an addition to the third message, and joined it, as the midnight cry joined the second angel's message in 1844.  The glory of God rested upon the patient, waiting saints, and they fearlessly gave the last solemn warning, proclaiming the fall of Babylon, and calling upon God's people to come out of her; that they might escape her fearful doom.

The light that was shed upon the waiting ones penetrated everywhere, and those who had any light in the churches, who had not heard and rejected the three messages, answered to the call, and left the fallen churches.  Many had come to years of accountability since these messages had been given, and the light shone upon them, and they were privileged to choose life or death.  Some chose life, and took their stand with those looking for their Lord, and keeping all his commandments.  The third message was to do its work; all were to be tested upon it, and the precious ones were to be called out from the religious bodies.  A compelling power moves the honest, while the manifestation of the power of God holds in fear and restraint relatives and friends, and they dare not, neither have they power to, hinder those who feel the work of the Spirit of God upon them.  The last call is carried even to the poor slaves, and the pious among them, with humble expressions, pour forth their songs of extravagant joy at the prospect of their happy deliverance, and their masters cannot check them; for a fear and astonishment keep them silent.  Mighty miracles are wrought, the sick are healed, and signs and wonders follow the believers.  God is in the work, and every saint, fearless of consequences, follows the convictions of his own conscience, and unites with those who are keeping all the commandments of God; and they sound abroad the third message with power.  I saw that the third message would close with power and strength far exceeding the midnight cry.

Servants of God, endowed with power from on high, with their faces lighted up, and shining with holy consecration, went forth fulfilling their work, and proclaiming the message from heaven.  Souls that were scattered all through the religious bodies answered to the call, and the precious were hurried out of the doomed churches, as Lot was hurried out of Sodom before her destruction.  God's people were fitted up and strengthened by the excellent glory which fell upon them in rich abundance, preparing them to endure the hour of temptation.  A multitude of voices I heard everywhere, saying, Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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So by studying the Midnight Cry experience in 1844, we can get a good idea of what the Loud Cry experience will be like.

The main message will be "Keep the Sabbath and leave the fallen churches!".

 



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Should have said a loud voice instead of a cry  

Some are calling this angel Christ himself but this is misleading. For sure Christ is directly involved and directing the movement but He is still in the heavenly temple administering for our sins as probation has not yet closed. 

Some are also calling this a 4th angel. This is also misleading as I was corrected years ago. To call this a 4th angel implies a new message and theres not a new message. Its a repeat of 2nd and 3rd angels message with great power. In fact 10 times the power than what was given in the midnight cry period. 

Shepherds rod calls the 4th message righteous by faith saying that our church rejected this in 1888. They dont accept that we finally accepted righteous by faith and EGW said RBF is the 3rd angels message in verity. Hope International headed by Ron Spear called it the same thing, RBF. 

A  person in Spain is calling the fourth message the information about the masons, secret societies, and jesuits working behind the scenes.

The winds of doctrine are blowing all around us  and corrupting influences have entered the church.  We must stay grounded on the Rock.

 



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Revelation 14:10

 

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

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It warns of Gods wrath upon those that do not heed the warning. All must choose between the wrath of man or the wrath of God. All Must choose between obeying man or obeying God. The decision must be made and very soon.



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"All must choose between the wrath of man or the wrath of God"

That is very short, to the point, and powerful.

Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 



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Yes. Tough decisions to make. No gray areas. 

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

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while the fires are burning there is no relief

these fires are unquenchable

but once they have burned everything up thats it

the results are forever 

 



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Yes! Some people try to use that text in Revelation to show that hell will be burning forever.

But the end of Rev. 20 and beginning of 21 show that hell itself will be gone one day, and this text in Jude shows that "eternal" can mean "in final result", as you've mentioned, nb:

 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Let's make sure we are not in that fire!

Jesus is coming soon, get ready!



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Hmmm

 

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

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the saints here are steadfast and strong 

they keep the commandments of God . And this can only be done by Gods Grace  

and the faith of Jesus    it is by the same faith that Jesus has imparted to His followers 

 

 

 



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Many years ago I heard a full-length sermon on the difference between "faith of Jesus" and "faith in Jesus".

I'm still not convinced it's a big deal, but is a bit interesting.



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Revelation 14:13 

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

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How come those that die receive a special blessing?

They are spared from troublesome times.   They rest in the grave from their labors. 



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Revelation 14:14 

And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

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That is Jesus coming. . . Those making up the white cloud are angels escorting Jesus to earth. The saints have been sealed and have gone through the great tribulation.  The sickle represents the harvest. There will be a separation of the wicked from the righteous. 



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Revelation 14:15 

And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

Matthew 13:30 

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Revelation 14:16-18 

And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. [17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. [18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

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The harvest is ripe for reaping. First the wheat (Gods people), and then the tares (the wicked) are gathered up. Jesus will take His own back with Him to heaven where He has prepared mansions for them. 



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"Gather ye together first the tares"



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Right. I made a mistake. Shouldve not posted so late. 

good to know you are checking biggrin



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Revelation 14:19-20 

And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. [20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

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The grapes represent the wicked who suffer the wrath of God. Their destruction comes upon them as a whirlwind.



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What a blessed moment, it will be, when the great white cloud appears to those who have learned the patience of the saints, and are waiting for their redeemer.

Jesus will lay aside his High-priestly robe, and put on his royal crown. The brightness of the glory of heaven shines around about him.

He holds a sharp sickle in his hand, for he comes not only to save, but also to judge. Those who have rejected God s message of mercy are exposed to his terrible judgments.



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There are inspired writings showing that the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' coming, and also inspired writings saying the wicked will turn on each other and destroy each other.

The way I personally reconcile that, is to believe that some, probably the most rebellious, will be slain by the brightness of Jesus, like a laser, while many will live thru that and then be enraged at each other and do themselves in.

Any thoughts?



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Some will hide in caves and cracks of the rocks. 



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