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I have not heard much about this in our church yet but its obvious the covid19 cases and deaths are more concentrated in the cities. The riots and lootings are more in the cities too along with regular shootings drug dealing and gangs. 
we must pray and ask God where He wants us to go. Seems like there is some kind of trouble where ever you go these days. Tornadoes flooding earthquakes pandemics etc etc etc

personally I love country life and desire to return to it



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Nb wrote:

I have not heard much about this in our church yet but its obvious the covid19 cases and deaths are more concentrated in the cities. The riots and lootings are more in the cities too along with regular shootings drug dealing and gangs. 
we must pray and ask God where He wants us to go. Seems like there is some kind of trouble where ever you go these days. Tornadoes flooding earthquakes pandemics etc etc etc

personally I love country life and desire to return to it


 In order to start trying to tie this issue down, it might be worth citing a central SOP quote, the one below.

This quote talks about leaving the large cities, preparatory to leaving the smaller ones, at the time when the Sunday law is enforced.

We are not at that point yet.  But it's worth noting that over the last few months, the concentrations of disease and rioting and looting have been in the large cities, and there's certainly a variety of good reasons for leaving them now.

As far as the smaller cities goes, I should say that I personally live in the suburbs of a modest-sized city, and have not had any of the troubles that I already mentioned that are affecting large cities.

Beyond this, it seems like there's a central issue that might be worth considering.  Do we expect Sunday laws to ultimately come out of the current political environment in the USA, or do other things have to happen first?  One characteristic of extreme Leftism and Anarchy and so on is a hostility to religion and law in general.

This doesn't constitute hard proof that a Sunday law cannot occur in the present environment, but it seems more likely that the current troubles trigger a paradigm shift toward a more conservative and populist orientation.

Such a shift would have much to commend it, but it's also a situation where people could overshoot, and then we'd start to see Sunday laws.

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It is no time now for God's people to be fixing their affections or laying up their treasure in the world. The time is not far distant, when, like the early disciples, we shall be forced to seek a refuge in desolate and solitary places. As the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman armies was the signal for flight to the Judean Christians, so the assumption of power on the part of our nation in the decree enforcing the papal sabbath will be a warning to us. It will then be time to leave the large cities, preparatory to leaving the smaller ones for retired homes in secluded places among the mountains. And now, instead of seeking expensive dwellings here, we should be preparing to move to a better country, even a heavenly. Instead of spending our means in self-gratification, we should be studying to economize. Every talent lent of God should be used to His glory in giving the warning to the world. God has a work for His colaborers to do in the cities. Our missions must be sustained; new missions must be opened. To carry forward this work successfully will require no small outlay. Houses of worship are needed, where the people may be invited to hear the truths for this time. For this very purpose, God has entrusted a capital to His stewards. Let not your property be tied up in worldly enterprises, so that this work shall be hindered. Get your means where you can handle it for the benefit of the cause of God. Send your treasures before you into heaven.  {5T 464.3} 



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Well said 



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Just want to put my two cents in here that there are LESS and LESS natural disasters occurring, and far fewer lives lost than ever before in history.

However, the interconnectedness of the world now makes it APPEAR that there is more natural havoc and destruction.

Agreed totally that now is definitely the time to move out of the big cities if you haven't already.  This is what happens when one political party stays in control too long - corruption and decadence.

Basically, the Sadducees of Christ's day are the Progressives of today.  Jesus brushed them off with basically a "You don't know the Bible".

The Pharisees are the Conservatives of today.  Jesus worked long and hard with them, and many of them became Christians after Pentecost.  

But yes, they both conspired together to put Christ on the cross.  And so they will with the 144,000 too.



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Agree with everything except the statement on disasters. In my own experience I can say that the weather is more chaotic than Ive ever seen in the area where Ive lived all my life. 
For instance,  in the winter our storms would always come from the northwest. In the summer the storms would come from the southwest. Today it is unpredictable. Storms come from NSEW in any season. Its just chaos and the weather men with all their charts and radar and data cant predict with accuracy. Weve experienced hurricane like rotations like Ive never seen before with sustained high winds and torrential rains over and over. 



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Nb wrote:

Agree with everything except the statement on disasters. In my own experience I can say that the weather is more chaotic than Ive ever seen in the area where Ive lived all my life. 
For instance,  in the winter our storms would always come from the northwest. In the summer the storms would come from the southwest. Today it is unpredictable. Storms come from NSEW in any season. Its just chaos and the weather men with all their charts and radar and data cant predict with accuracy. Weve experienced hurricane like rotations like Ive never seen before with sustained high winds and torrential rains over and over. 


 For whatever it's worth, the SOP quote below says that calamities will "increase more and more".

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Men in responsible positions will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but from the sacred desk, will urge upon the people the observance of the first day of the week, pleading tradition and custom in behalf of this man-made institution. They will point to calamities on land and sea--to the storms of wind, the floods, the earthquakes, the destruction by fire--as judgments indicating God's displeasure because Sunday is not sacredly observed. These calamities will increase more and more, one disaster will follow close upon the heels of another; and those who make void the law of God will point to the few who are keeping the Sabbath of the fourth commandment as the ones who are bringing wrath upon the world. This falsehood is Satan's device that he may ensnare the unwary.  {ST, January 17, 1884 par. 12}



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London, 4 June: A new review of the scientific literature on extreme weather events published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) confirms what IPCC assessment reports have concluded: There is little evidence of any significant changes in most indices.

The paper, by physicist Dr Ralph Alexander, looks at trends in hot and cold weather extremes, floods and droughts, hurricanes and wildfires and finds only a minor increase in cold weather extremes.

According to Dr Alexander, weather extremes is one area where the IPCC has been reasonably empirical and scientific in recent years.

As he explains:

"The IPCC stands out, among those who believe that global warming is primarily due to human activity, as a voice of restraint on the issue of extreme weather. My review is in broad agreement with their position: there is little sign things are getting worse."

In particular, Dr Alexander points to the underreported global reductions in floods, wildfires and hurricanes, but he cautions that many of the changes are likely to be cyclical.



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I agree that "LESS and LESS natural disasters occurring, and far fewer lives lost than ever before in history".

One of the indicators that have been used as a measure for the increase in disasters due to climate change are hurricanes. The top 10 "Most Severe Landfalling Atlantic Hurricanes in the United States" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricane_records all occurred in 2005 and before. Half of them occurred in 1969 and before. 

If disasters are truly increasing, especially climate related, shouldn't we have more record-breaking severe hurricanes in the past 15 years? 

When the disasters do come, they will be FAR greater that ANYTHING human beings have ever witnessed! What we are seeing now is "very limited" and are but "faint representations" what will be in the future. The following are a couple of EGW quotes to support this position: 

Earthquakes in various places have been felt, but these disturbances have been very limited Terrible shocks will come upon the earth, and the lordly palaces erected at great expense will certainly become heaps of ruins. the religious world too, is to be terribly shaken, for the end of all things is at hand.... {5MR 16.3}

"The disasters of the past year [1889] in America have caused hearts to tremble, and similar disasters have fallen upon other countries... Cholera and unexplainable diseases have broken out... These things are the result of the drops from the vials of Gods wrath being sprinkled on the earth, and are but faint representations of what will be in the near future." {4MR 445.1}

 

 

 

 



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