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Pastor David Gates recently came out with a sermon titled "Even at the Door".  In less than a month, it has over 120,000 views, which classifies it as "viral" among us Seventh-day Adventists.  What makes it so exciting to many, are the sensational claims that:

1. The SDA Church will start persecuting its own members starting Spring 2019

2. The Sunday Law is already in place, just waiting to be sprung upon the populace

3. The Vatican is going to attack America in Spring 2019.

His video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwE3-faB9Pk

He has been proven wrong on his time-setting prophecies before, most noticably with the supposed 7 years of Joseph's good and lean times being between 2001-2015.  I just discovered a video on youtube this weekend showing where Pr. Bohr reproved David for his time-setting ways then.

Anyway, David tries to see September 23rd, when the Pope spoke before the U.S. Congress, as the Day of Atonement that year, and then loosely tries to apply the 3 1/2 years of Revelation and Daniel to that time to come to his Spring 2019 conclusion.  There is no exact time in his prediction for when the trouble will start, except that it will be Spring 2019.  This type of lazy calculation would have meant our SDA faith never would have gotten started if William Miller and others of that time had been so lax in their application of Bible prophecies!

Another important point, is that September 23, 2015 was NOT the Day of Atonement for that year.  That was the rabbi-calculated DOA, but the real day, as calculated using principles our spiritual forefathers did to come to the correct date of October 22 1844 for Jesus to go into the Most Holy Place to cleanse the Sanctuary, reveals a date of October 23 for 2015.

A last big strike against David's predictions, is that the Sunday Law will NOT come in by stealth!  This should be so obvious to anyone who has ever read anything Ellen White has ever written on the subject.  She says in multiple places that God's judgments will start falling on earth, the people will see they've offended God, and in their rush to get right with him, they will accept a lie from Satan about Sunday observance, because they love to believe and practice lies now.

I've uploaded a review/rebuttal to David's sermon here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoed8zUjxyU

While there is much good instruction in the sermon about the need to get out into the countryside, and get serious about following Jesus etc., the predictions to cause a time excitement are completely forbidden by the holy words of God given to Ellen White.

Let's be good Bereans, and call on Br. Gates to repent and follow Jesus.



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Pastor Mark Finley is going to have a live Youtube talk about David Gates' sermon "Even at the Door" starting at 3pm Wednesday November 14, 2018.  I might even get up early Thursday morning to look at it, and maybe ask him questions in the live chat.

Just search on Youtube for "Mark Finley David Gates" and it should be in the top 2 or 3.  Look for HopeChannel something.



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Well, I've watched Pr. Finley's response, and thot it was mostly good, but there is something always a bit comprimisory (is that a word?) about him.  He addressed the issue of time excitement, showing it is not from God, but didn't touch Pr. Gates' claim that the SDA Church is going to start publicly persecuting members starting Spring 2019.  That may be just as well.  

What Pr. Finley DIDN'T talk about is perhaps even more insightful than what he did talk about - he didn't mention anything about the many wrongs in the SDA Church, such as supporting abortion, homosexual elders, rock music in some churches, outrights rebellion by the Southeastern California Conference, mindfulness nonsense that many pastors preach openly etc. 

Also, he didn't bring out the fact that Pr. Gates is right in calling us to think about a final 3 1/2 year period in earth's history, as that is obvious from Revelation and Daniel, and also from Ellen White's writings that the final fulfillment of Revelation 13:4-18 is in the future (and that includes the 42 months).  Perhaps he is afraid the current fixation of our SDA Church on supporting the "Historicist" interpretation at all cost is more important than for us to study God's words to see what they really say?

Anyway, Pr. Finley's response video is going viral, and Pr. Gates' video has over 170,000 views now!!!



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I'm a bit surprised that no one seems interested in this, but after the Autumn Council's decision on bringing rogue SDA entitities into line, this is probably the biggest news among SDA circles all year.

There are probably nearly 15 videos by various people on Youtube regarding David Gates: "Even at the Door" video sermon, and the response is very interesting.  Mark Finley's rebuttal video has over 10k views!

Reading the comments to the videos, you can see that many Brethren are tired of "peace and safety" sermons that lull one to sleep, and are excited and happy at Br. Gates trying to wake people up.  However, many of them don't care about God's words to not get up a time excitement, as that will: "greatly retard the work of God", and get angry at anyone who points that big error out.  Not a few of them are also into conspiracy theories, which David dishes up, even coming up with more in his recent "skype" rebuttal that is over an hour long.

Frankly, I'm surprised at the amount of criticism of Br. Finley, even to the point of calling him names and saying he's led of the devil etc. - wow!  Then when I point out some error of Br. Gates, the same people either say I'm "judging", or wishing everyone to be asleep to the times, sigh.....

David Gates is planning a live seminar on this in Ecuador from December 12-15 with 2 pastors who have studied out this 3 1/2 years thing.  I plan to be watching some of it.  It's exciting to see people waking up and studying, but it still seems to me like God's words are true - that raising a time excitement like Br. Gates is doing will "greatly retard the work of God", because the Three Angels' Messages is not to be connected with time anymore.  Like a drug, people will get excited, then fall back into an even deeper sleep when the time-excitement drug wears off.

Doesn't anybody have any opinions on this subject?

 

 



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seems I have a dear friend that saw that video by gates and has taken urgency in her old age to take off to peru...  she raised the money she needed to go there and help the cause

 

sometimes I think that God wants us to work the fields where we are...

what do you think?



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The work God has given each of us is holy work when done for Him. 



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When the pope visited congress....the whole thing was laughable at best.

 

Many muslims and jews have addressed a joint session. Anyone care then?

No.

 

One week later, the brutal dictator of china visited obama. China has made Christianity almost illegal.

Anyone care? No.

China has banned the pope.

Anyone care? Um...no.

 

China....the largest country in the world is an atheistic country. And the leader, who wants people to think he is a god, had a meeting with obama.

Nobody cared. because Adventists are sticking their heads in the sand.

 

They read EGW so much more than the very Bible.

 

Perhaps EGW had lots of symbolism just like Revelation.

 

Perhaps when she predicted that the US would be taken down by the UK during the civil war.....it was a conditional prophecy.

 

Of course any conditional prophecy about the destruction of the US in the 1860's would have to negate anything said after that.

 

You can't have it both ways.

 

The US cannot be the other horn, as it comes up after the wound has healed.....

 

Putting together what she said during the civil war puts a lot of things in question.

 

You people put way too much emphasis on the pope.

 

How about islam? The biggest false religion in the world? Nobody cares.

 

Islam countries? They have friday laws. Anyone care? No.

Their calendars have Saturday as the FIRST day of the week.

Anyone care? No.

 

The romans during Jesus' time..had an 8 day week.

Anyone care? No.



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Anonymous, Your lying about what Ellen White said regarding the UK taking down the US during the Civil War is typical of those who fight God. Please rrepent, and follow Jesus



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