"FOR ME, the GC 1858 and my KJV bible along with contrite prayer is the best way to know the way to salvation."

Thank you for sharing nb. How long have you been reading GC 1858? What do you appreciate most about it?

nb wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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"FOR ME, the GC 1858 and my KJV bible along with contrite prayer is the best way to know the way to salvation."

 

Thank you for sharing nb. How long have you been reading GC 1858? What do you appreciate most about it?

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 ever since I met webmaster on a sda forum years ago maybe 2005 or 2006?  I've read it maybe 6 times since then and some sections over and over....

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 love all of it but most important are the series of end time events....  chapters 30 to the end are most important for all people to know where we are and the order of events to happen

it just seems that so many are confused even sdas about the order of events...  anyone that says Jesus could come tomorrow or next week is very confused... 

Hi

Thank you for your suggestions and yes please send the information to: john10psalm23@yahoo.com

I have current versions of PP, Steps to Christ, MofH of Sister White.  Are yours different versions?  I also have many books of Sister White such as the Conflict of the Ages series, Testimonies for the Church (8), Spiritual Gifts (1-4), etc  

What is the difference between the current GC version vs 1858, and Spiritual Gifts?

I have found Prayer from Sister White but not contrite prayer, do you have a link you can send me?

God bless you too. 

Webmaster wrote:

and the history of the early founding of the SDA Church,are chapters 1 - 3, as they lay the groundwork for the whole Great Controversy story (and also are strangely little known by nearly all of us SDAs, as those 3 chapters teach things that contradict what we are usually taught today in the SDA Church), and then chapters 30 to end, as they give the sequence of events leading up to the 2nd Coming of Christ,

Please clarify,

What are the titles of those chapters that contradict what we are usually taught now? Can I find those chapters in my Spiritual Gifts book, vol 1?  

Are you referring to Spiritualism as the title for Chapter 30 ? 

Thank you

Chapter I. - The Fall of Satan.

     The Lord has shown me that Satan was once an honored angel in heaven, next to Jesus Christ. His countenance was mild, expressive of happiness like the other angels. His forehead was high and broad, and showed great intelligence. His form was perfect. He had a noble, majestic bearing. And I saw that when God said to his Son, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of Jesus. He wished to be consulted concerning the formation of man. He was filled with envy, jealousy and hatred. He wished to be the highest in heaven, next to God, and receive the highest honors. Until this time all heaven was in order, harmony and perfect subjection to the government of God.  {1SG 17.1}  

     It was the highest sin to rebel against the order and will of God. All heaven seemed in commotion. The angels were marshaled in companies with a commanding angel at their head. All the angels were astir. Satan was insinuating against the government of God, ambitious to exalt himself, and unwilling to submit to the authority of Jesus. Some of the angels sympathized with Satan in his rebellion, and others strongly contended for the honor and wisdom of God in giving authority to his Son. And there was contention with the angels. Satan and his affected ones, who were striving to reform the government of God, wished to look into his unsearchable wisdom to ascertain his purpose in exalting Jesus, and endowing him with such unlimited power and command. They rebelled against the authority of the Son of God, and all the angels were summoned to appear before the Father, to have their cases decided. And it was decided that Satan should be expelled from heaven, and that the angels, all who joined with Satan in the rebellion, should be turned out with him. Then there was war in heaven. Angels were engaged in the battle; Satan wished to conquer the Son of God, and those who were submissive to his will. But the good and true angels prevailed, and Satan, with his followers, was driven from heaven.  {1SG 17.2}  

     After Satan was shut out of heaven, with those who fell with him, he realized that he had lost all the purity and glory of heaven forever. Then he repented and wished to be reinstated again in heaven. He was willing to take his proper place, or any place that might be assigned him. But no, heaven must not be placed in jeopardy. All heaven might be marred should he be taken back; for sin originated with him, and the seeds of rebellion were within him. Satan had obtained followers, those who sympathized with him in his rebellion. He and his followers repented, wept and implored to be taken back into the favor of God. But no, their sin, their hate, their envy and jealousy, had been so great that God could not blot it out. It must remain to receive its final punishment.  {1SG 18.1} 

     When Satan became fully conscious that there was no possibility of his being brought again into favor with God, then his malice and hatred began to be manifest. He consulted with his angels, and a plan was laid to still work against God's government. When Adam and Eve were placed in the beautiful garden, Satan was laying plans to destroy them. A consultation was held with his evil angels. In no way could this happy couple be deprived of their happiness if they obeyed God. Satan could not exercise his power upon them unless they should first disobey God, and forfeit his favor. They must devise some plan to lead them to disobedience that they might incur God's frown, and be brought under the more direct influence of Satan and his angels. It was decided that Satan should assume another form, and manifest an interest for man. He must insinuate against God's truthfulness, create doubt whether God did mean as he said, next, excite their curiosity, and lead them to pry into the unsearchable plans of God, which Satan had been guilty of, and reason as to the cause of his restrictions in regard to the tree of knowledge. {1SG 19.1}  

Ed has graciously copied the entire first chapter for us.  He underlined and bolded the other very important, rarely believed point, that Satan repented, but God could not forgive him.  That explains a lot about the coming Close of Probation, which we SDAs have to warn the world of.  Sadly, many or most of us believe that God can forgive you anytime you wish. 

I:ve even heard from fellow SDAs that if Satan repented now, God would take him back into heaven!!!!

Satan wanted to be number 2 in heaven, so no, his rebellion has nothing directly to do with the Trinity doctrine.  We know that there is a Godhead, with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit being three separate persons, yet one. 

To Webmaster:

Thank you for your reply.  Please watch the video link below.  I am very grateful to God for alerting us to this deception from Satan, that puts at risk our own salvation.  Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz6tqCqFkK4 

To Webmaster:

Thank you for your reply.

As children of God we are called to be obedient to Him, just as Jesus was to His Father on earth.  There is no biblical foundation for the Trinity doctrine, and only confuses our minds.  Once the truth is found out we are liberated, and worship and prayer becomes a delight.  There are verses in the Holy Bible that seems to support the Trinity doctrine but the answers to these difficult verses are found in the Word of God, or at least one  of them have been put by the Catholic Church and they admit doing that.  Please see the links below to find answers to those difficult verses.  Happy Sabbath!

- And I will put My Spirit within you... Ezequiel 36:27 

- "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His; but as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Romans 8:9, 14

-"The Father's presence encircled Christ, and nothing befell Him but that which infinite love permitted for the blessing of the world.  Here was His source of comfort, and it is for us.  He who is imbued with the Spirit of Christ abides in Christ". Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing, E G White p71 

- If you are God's children, begotten by His Spirit, you live  by the life of God.  In Christ dwells "all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9); and the life of Jesus is made manifest "in our mortal flesh" (2 Corinthians 4:11). Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing, E G White p78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2dhtNZ8NI&list=PL2SHheSlcliLrK9efrR1-r8q5_9iGk850&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2dhtNZ8NI&index=2&list=PL2SHheSlcliLrK9efrR1-r8q5_9iGk850

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=adrian+ebens+trinity+vs+the+begotten+son

Hi,  I do not know what you mean.  Are you going to start a new thread or do I need to do that?

Can you please watch the video below, and help propagate this, as it is a serious matter of salvation for all SDA's.  Tthe presenter says it is a life and death matter.  The dreams above were not the only ones i have had, the last one was last Sunday and it is a terrible message for the SDA Church,  for we cannot serve two masters.  I can say that the second coming of our Lord is imminent, and all SDA members need to get ready, put their houses in order, pray, fast, pray, surrender to God.  Please understand my position, I have to give these messages to the Church because it is a command from God.  Do you know any other ways I could try to reach the whole Church?

Many thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUQgLKkaVVM

Sadly, Nader Mansour is fighting God:s Holy Spirit.

Source:  http://revelation1412.org/files/3714/2725/9512/Alpha_and_Omega_-_Transcript_Nader_Mansour.pdf

Video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhxzD9Mye7Q

T H E A L P H A & O M E G A   by     NADER MANSOUR    (A transcript of his video presentation)  What is the Alpha of deadly heresies, and where does it all climax to in the Omega? A must for all SDA's who want the truth of the matter. Presented by Nader Mansour.

 The following pages are a transcription from a presentation by Pastor Nader Mansour in 2007. The language, therefore, is of a more colloquial nature than formal text. The form of speech should be considered as though the reader is in the presence of the one speaking. If one follows the video along with the transcript (see site location at back of this publication), please note that a few minor adjustments have been made, such as the deletion of repetitive words at the beginning of paragraphs, and the insertion of connecting words which the speaker did not use when speaking. None of the minor inclusions or omissions affect the content or context of the message provided in these pages. References which precede the text boxes are in most cases also included within the text boxes in order to reinforce the readers ability to find and verify any quotes for him/herself.1

Opening prayer Abba, Father in heaven, we thank Thee that we can come before Thee, on Thy Holy Sabbath hours in the name of our Savior Jesus, who even now stands in Thy presence in the most Holy Place., offering up our worship and service today in an acceptable manner before Thee. Our Father, we invite the presence of Thine holy angels and Thy Spirit to be in our midst, and especially now as we open Thy word and look at some important things that are contained therein, Lord, regarding some of the things that are happening today. We pray that Thou give us clear minds and understanding in order to understand the things that are happening. May Thy Spirit be our instructor and our guide into all truth. This is our prayer in Jesus name. Amen.2

A blessed Sabbath to every one! Its a wonderful opportunity to study Gods word together. And today what were going to look at is a very important topic. It is the topic entitled the Alpha and the Omega. In the Bible we know who is the Alpha and the Omega? Its Jesus Christ. So today, the study were going to do is going to look at certain things about Jesus Christ. But well also look at an Alpha and Omega that is also described as a heresy. And so well look at some church history in this topic, and well see what we can learn that comes in contact with the person and the identity of Jesus Christ. This is what well be examining today. So I want you to pay careful attention because some things will require you to do some thinking. So dont just accept everything you hear; just exercise your thinking powers and think and reason on some of the things that well see together as well share them. And well see what we can understand about whats happening today all around us. Our first text is in Ecclesiastes, which gives us instruction as to what to do. Ecclesiastes chapter one gives us instruction regarding certain things and how they occur. Ecclesiastes 1:9, 10 and it says there: 3

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there anything whereof it may be said: See, this is new? It hath been already of old time which was before us. Ecclesiastes 1: 9, 10 So the Bible here tells us that certain things have a habit of repeating themselves. And, in order to understand some of the things that are happening today, where do we need to look? In the past. In the history. So today this is all well do: well do a historical examination into the history of our church to understand what is it about the situation with the Alpha and the Omega, because a lot of people today hear about the Omega of apostasy and a lot of people have a lot to say about the Omega of apostasy, but we need to see what does history declare about the Alpha, and from that well learn in particular what it is about the Omega, which will help us understand the situation that were in today. A lot of people think that whats happening today regarding certain issues that have been agitated is something totally new that hasnt happened before. But the Bible here tells us that there is nothing new under the sun. So today this is what well do We have a warning here from the Spirit of Prophecy, and well do a lot of reading together because this is a historical examination, so just keep alert with me. It says in Selected Messages, book 1, page 200: So when were talking about the Alpha and the Omega were talking about a heresy of what type? Its a deadly heresy. Do you think thats serious? That is very serious. Now Sister White tells us that the Omega will be received by a certain class of people who neglect to do something. Whats that? They will neglect to heed the warning that God has given. 4

In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given. 1Selected Messages, 200. So in order for us to avoid the Omega or understand what is it about, what we need to examine is what was the warning that God gave in regards to the Alpha? And once we understand the warnings that God gave regarding the Alpha, we are in a better position not to fall and be deceived by the Omega. So this is what well do today: well look at what the Alpha was all about, and well see what Sister White said, and well see what warnings God has given us. The Alpha occurred in the early 1900s in our church, when a very prominent physician, the most prominent physician in our church at the time, Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, wrote a book entitled The Living Temple, which Mrs. White just mentioned in the quote weve just read. In his book in The Living Temple Kellogg wrote some theology and certain things that Sister White objected to which well look at a little more in detail but the reason for the writing of the book was that the Battle Creek Sanitarium had actually burned to the ground the year before. And so it was suggested that Dr. Kellogg, being a very famous physician, and well written, that he would write a book and the funds that were generated by the sale of the book would help in rebuilding the Battle Creek Sanitarium. So this was a great idea but, sad to say, Dr. Kellogg inserted some of his theology that Sister White identified for us as heretical. 5

John Harvey Kellogg And well look a little bit in detail at this aspect of what Kellogg was trying to teach, because Sister White identified that as the Alpha of deadly heresies. So what were dealing with is a deadly heresy; we need to pay careful attention. Lets see what else is said. Were told in The Ministry of Healing were given a warning (p. 429): A very, very important statement, because Kellogg was seeking to penetrate beyond that which was revealed. So Mrs. White wrote that warning. But its interesting that she also says that the things that God has given us in His Word are for our study and this we are to seek to understand. So dont be deceived by someone telling you that Gods revelations about Himself in the Bible are a mystery. Because the servant of the Lord says, this we may seek to understand. What God has given us in His Word, we can understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate. So here Kellogg was venturing on a ground beyond what revelation had given us. And Sister White continues, in Loma Linda Messages, page 253. Shes a bit more specific here. She says: 6

The secret things belong unto the Lord our God; but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever. Deuteronomy 29:29. The revelation of Himself that God has given in His word is for our study. This we may seek to understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate. Ministry of Healing, 429. The teaching regarding God that is presented in Living Temple is not such as our students need. Those who express such sentiments regarding Him show that they are departing from the faith. Loma Linda Messages, p. 253. Here we see the issue that Dr. Kellogg was dealing with in his book, and he had inserted certain theology regarding what topic? She says the issue regarding God. Kellogg here was teaching or promoting something about God that Sister White identified as the Alpha of deadly heresies. And she said: its a departure from the faith. Its a very, very serious matter. So were looking at the warnings now that God has given us regarding the Alpha so that we can better understand the Omega. Well, lets see what is it that Kellogg was trying to teach about God in his book that called forth such strong warnings from the Spirit of Prophecy. What is it that he was teaching that Ellen White said its a deadly heresy thats a departure from the faith? Thats a good question to answer, isnt it? And we can find the answer, because once we find the answer well be better able to understand the warnings that God has given regarding the Alpha and regarding the Omega of deadly heresies. So what was [Kelloggs] belief in regards to God that he was trying to promote? Well, this is Arthur Daniells, the General Conference president of the time. And Arthur Daniells one day had a conversation with Dr. Kellogg and the conversation was so alarming to brother Daniells that he decided to write a letter to Willie White thats Ellen Whites son and share his concerns about what Kellogg had told him, because the issue was regarding the book that he wrote and the things that Ellen White said about it. This is the letter that he wrote. Lets see what he says in concern to Willie White. He says: 7

A. G. Daniells So what did Kellogg want to do? He wanted to revise and republish The Living Temple. Why is that, do you think? Because Sister White gave the book some very good publicity didnt she? She said the book had heresies in it. So Kellogg said: OK, Ill rewrite it, Ill revise it. So he told Daniels that, but Daniels was concerned, he continues: 8

Ever since the council closed I have felt that I should write you confidentially regarding Dr. Kelloggs plans for revising and republishing The Living Temple ...He [Kellogg] said that some days before coming to the council, he had been thinking the matter over, and began to see that he had made a slight mistake in expressing his views He then stated that his former views regarding the trinity had stood in his way of making a clear and absolutely correct statement; but that within a short time he had come to believe in the trinity and could now see pretty clearly where all the difficulty was, and believed that he could clear the matter up satisfactorily. He told me that he now believed in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost; and his view was that it was God the Holy Ghost, and not God the Father, that fills all space, and every living thing. He said if he had believed this before writing the book, he could have expressed his views without giving the wrong impression the book now gives. I placed before him the objections I found in the teaching, and tried to show him that teaching was so utterly contrary to the gospel that I did not see how it could be revised by changing a few expressions. Letter, A. G. Daniells to W. C. White, 10/29/1903, pp. 1, 2. OK, so this is a very revealing letter regarding the contents of Kelloggs book that he wanted to revise and regarding his theology that he was adopting, regarding God, which Ellen White told us about. Now its interesting. Kellogg said that he had come to believe what doctrine? The doctrine of the trinity. And specifically said he now believed in God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Does that sound familiar to anyone? It does, doesnt it? This seems to be an issue that is being agitated today, and were going to see why its being agitated today. But, notice, the General Conference president at that time did something in that last paragraph. He said: I placed before him the objections I found in the teaching. The General Conference president was so concerned, he tried to correct Kellogg about this teaching. Today we have people preaching the same teaching from up the front. Its interesting how a turn around can come about. But well see a little closer what it means. Now what did Mrs. White think about that when Kellogg said, Im going to revise my book what I really believe in is the trinity Im trying to say basically I believe in God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. And he wanted to revise the book. 9

W. C. White. Well, lets see what Sister White said regarding that. Selected Messages, book 1, page 199. She says, So what was the servant of the Lord inspired to write in response to what Kellogg said, he revised the book? She said: the writer has not changed. And what should the ministers of the gospel do? There should be no unity between the ministers of the gospel and Kellogg while he had his present sentiments. What were his present sentiments according to the admission of the General Conference president at that time? That he [Kellogg] believed in the trinity that he believed in God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Sister White said ministers of the gospel should have no unity with Kellogg when he had his present sentiments. She says this is actually a mockery of who? Of God. She says: be not deceived; God is not mocked. So its a very serious issue Kellogg had come to believe. Oh, heres another one. This is a letter she wrote to Kellogg. She says: 10                                                  cont .............

Sonia, please repent of rejecting the Holy Spirit, and stop posting things against him here.

Thank you.