Not all agree with PR. L. Kirkpatrick,

Here is a rebuttal,  http://omega77.tripod.com/kirkpatrick1.htm 

I see now that Larry Kirkpatrick has been pastoring a SDA church in Bonners Ferry, Idaho for around 2 years or maybe more it seems.

Gibs, I deleted one of your comments because it wasn't written in understandable English.  Please try to write so we can understand in the future. 

Also, please don't think it is necessary to always point out something you don't like about somebody in every thread.  The topic of this thread is "Where is Larry Kirkpatrick?", so while i will leave your "rebuttal" comment here, i want to ask you if you believe that is really helping to answer the question of the topic of this thread?

Gibs, did you miss this: "I see now that Larry Kirkpatrick has been pastoring a SDA church in Bonners Ferry, Idaho for around 2 years or maybe more it seems."?

Again, this thread is NOT about the theology of Larry Kirkpatrick.  Please keep to the topic.

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Does anyone know what has happened to Pr Larry Kirkpatrick? I used to read his blog at Great Controversy.org. However, I cannot find any of his sites that seem to be up to date. I wonder what has happened.

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 he is here if you want to join his list

gcolist@greatcontroversy.org 

That link don't work NB, windows says can't find, this one does and I don't know of a better one,  http://www.bfsda.org/ 

Gibs wrote:

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That link don't work NB, windows says can't find, this one does and I don't know of a better one,  http://www.bfsda.org/ 

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 it is private and you have to be approved... by email...do you want me to post his email..?

Gibs wrote:

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NB, some may but not for myself.  Does he want it spread since he wants to keep it secret?

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 send me a private email and I will give the link and then you have to be approved... 

yes, i'm on the list but I just read

Gordman54 wrote:

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Cant tell you how long i have been trying to locate Ps. Kirkpatrick since reading " close of Probation/end of salvation.".  Reason being only 1 st. Part shows and other links on same page 2-4 cannot be opened on various servers. C

i noticed that we could obtain an email that we may use, could i be privy to this?  Im dying to read the rest of that sermon....thank you. And sorry if i overstepped your boundaries here ' GIbs'    I dont know what else to do.

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 if you still want to get on, give me your private email and I will give you a link where you can sign up... you have to show that you are sda and the church where you are registered and then you will get approved.... if you don't want to give that information out then don't even bother..

Gibs is no longer with us...  I miss him very much.

  Is the Mission Catalyst Network Seventh-day Adventist?
     Looking back, we see this whole matter unfolding as if in a slow-motion train wreck. And still they keep trying. The experiments continue. Many of the faithful have struggled in attempting to sound the warning against the encroaching yet tantalizing message incessantly propounded by the contemporary church growth new-modelers. It was a difficult challenge to convince well-meaning pastors and church leaders who were intoxicated with the delicious words and concepts found in such books as The 7 Habits of Highly Ineffective Churches, by Ron Gladden. Books such as this, aggressively pushed upon the church, contained innocent-sounding good advice for growing a church. Alongside quotes from such authors as Rick Warren (Saddleback Church), Bill Hybels (Willow Creek) and other Babylonian church growth experts, Ellen White appears (selectively quoted) to legitimize their nefarious agenda.

     These books dwell long on grace, love, and acceptance; upon worldly marketing techniques, and growth strategies. One thing that is conspicuously absent? A firm, unflinching commitment to unpopular truth. The ends seem to justify the means. The Mission Statement of the new organization insists:[MCN plans to] do whatever it takes to equip local churches to accomplish the Great Commission accessed August 13, 2004, 10:51 a.m. CST, emphasis supplied).

     Instead of we will obey and follow God's ways, be faithful to His word and leave the results with Him, they have opted for a results-oriented approach. This is classic of those who through history have thought to step in front of Jesus and show Him a better way.

Is this new movement part of the Seventh-dayAdventistChurch? No.

Q: Are you Seventh-day Adventists?

A: Because we are handling the tithe and other local church issues differently than the church manual proscribes [sic], we are not legally allowed to call our churches Seventh-day Adventist. As individuals, we consider ourselves to be Seventh-day Adventists, accessed August 13, 2004, 10:44 a.m., emphasis supplied).

     Some of us have wondered when these encroaching movements would finally reveal themselves. In some ways we are surprised to see developments taking place with the rapidity that we are now seeing. God is taking the reins into His own hands. This is the time to be on His side, the side of truth.

     We would like to be clear that what we are saying is that which the new Offshoot would not prefer to admit. According to them, they hold the same beliefs as we do. They even include a link to the Adventist website and the 27 Fundamental Beliefs, claiming them as their own doctrinal statement. But their actual doctrine statement is conspicuous by the absence of any reference in it to the investigative judgment, the Seventh-dayAdventistChurch as God's remnant, and Ellen G. White as prophetic messenger.

The fact is, this is not the same cart with new wheels. It is not the same doctrinal message. It is, rather, Adventist-lite, the low-carb version.

     When we consider this development, who is surprised that church planting has become a code word synonymous with apostasy from Seventh-day Adventism? Over and over again Adventism's contemporary planted churches have been planted as social webs of people left uninstructed in the prophetic heritage of our people.

     We would not imply that all church planting projects are equally misguided. But we have learned that in many cases, these projects follow a pragmatic plan of using whatever marketing, whatever music, whatever cheap and unconscionable approach to Bible standards of dress and adornment they can get away with. Since the newer plants are populated mostly by newer members who have not been taught authentic Adventism, and often those taught by church planting leaders mostly to ignore such, this is what happens.      

     The saints who otherwise might nurture a more sound approach in creating a Seventh-day Adventist church are out of the loop.

     I sat in the classroom of the NADEI president and this was consistently his approach. Ideas and philosophies have consequences. Today the Church is reaping the SEEDS that have been sown. We fully expect the church-planters who have not defected to put forth a vigorous defense of what they have been doing. However, for our part, we must say, trust is earned. I will from this point trust only those whom I know to be serious, sound, fully-blossomed Seventh-day Adventists to do church planting! If you are not an authentic      

     Seventh-day Adventist, you will not be able to plant an authentically Seventh-day Adventist Church. Doctrinal integrity today must be by demonstration. Assertions no longer cut it.

 Troubling Doctrinal Questions

The Mission Catalyst doctrinal statement, while professing loyalty to the 27 Fundamental Beliefs of the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist body, nevertheless raises troubling questions about its theological clarity and priorities.

For starters, the claim to be grace oriented, splashed conspicuously across the home page of the web site, evokes a variety of questions. Aside from the marginalized holiness and denial of Christian victory which too often has attended this phrase in contemporary Adventism, the question inevitably arises, Does this new movement believe the worldwide Adventist structure not to be grace oriented? If not, in what way is it not? And how does this new organization propose to remedy the problem?

     Though claiming to adhere to the 27 Fundamentals, Mission Catalyst has nevertheless developed its own statement of doctrinal beliefs. In their own words, here is what they are saying: There are a minimum number of beliefs that help bring a coherent voice to our message (accessed August 13, 2004, 4:08 p.m. PDT). These are then listed as follows:

     The Bible is the source of knowledge about God and salvation. It is the ultimate rule of faith and practice.     God is eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing and Creator of all things. That God is manifested in God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

     Jesus is our Savior. That His death was a complete atonement for our sins and that salvation is offered to us as a free gift to be received by faith alone.       We seek to express our appreciation to God for His saving grace by walking in fellowship with Him and seeking to reflect His character. This character transformation is accomplished, in part, by our willing obedience to His law of love, divided into two great commandments, love to God and love to others. God's ten commands found in Exodus 20 specifically define these two great commandments. The ten includes the seventh-day Sabbath as holy time to be used for God's purposes and to bring joy to the believers. The Holy Spirit enables this transformation and obedience.

                       Our great hope is the soon return of Christ in glory.

The dead are in an unconscious sleep awaiting one of two resurrections referred to by Jesus in John 5. These resurrections are at both ends of the millennium: the saved at the beginning when Jesus comes to put an end to sin's consequences, and the lost at the final end when judgment is meted out by a short, consuming fire.Marriage is ordained by God to be a permanent union between a man and a woman and that any sexual activity outside of the marriage union is impurity.We are to care for our bodies and minds with the awareness that they are God's dwelling through His Spirit, and that we are His witnessesambassadors of heaven.  God's will for every person goes beyond their own salvation. He designed the church to be a loving, non-judgmental community of Christ followers who worship together, minister to other believers, and seek to save the lost. In John 17, Jesus prayed for a community of oneness as a condition of evangelistic effectiveness: I pray that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me (verse 21).

Water baptism by immersion signifies the new life in Christ of all those who choose to follow Him (missioncatalyst.org/mission_catalyst_resources/Commitment_to_mission.pdf).

     We will here resist the inclination to analyze this statement in depth; much indeed could be written about many things. But a number of pivotal questions cry out to be answered. For starters, if Mission Catalyst maintains loyalty to the 27 Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-dayAdventistChurch, why create another, very different statement of beliefs? If in fact an abbreviated statement is desirable, why not simply use the official Baptismal Vows in the current Church Manual, pp. 32-34, which refers the reader to a more elaborate exposition of these vows in a later portion of theManual pp. 209-213?

     One's curiosity is quickly aroused by which distinctive Adventist beliefs are deemed worthy of mention in the Offshoot's abbreviated statement, and which go without any mention at all. The only two distinctive SDA doctrines mentioned are the seventh-day Sabbath and the non-immortality of the soul. The investigative judgment beginning in 1844, the Spirit of Prophecy manifested through the prophetic ministry of Ellen G. White, and Seventh-day Adventism as the remnant church of Bible prophecy, are conspicuous by their absence.

     Even the manner of Jesus' second coming, a major issue on account of the rapture doctrine and its recent widespread promotion through the popular Left Behind series, is left unclarified in this doctrinal statement. What is more, the statement merely mentions God as the Creator of all things, omitting any mention of the six literal days of creationthus not only leaving ambiguous the Biblical foundation of the Sabbath they claim to revere, but also leaving open the door for theistic evolution. (Those holding to theistic evolution are not uncomfortable affirming God as Creator; they merely maintain He did His creating through the process of Darwinian evolution.)

     And while the statement expresses the need for the Christian to care for both mind and body, no specific mention of how this is done, or not done, is included. Unclean meats, tobacco, alcohol, recreational drugsall go without a mention. One could easily read this statement and conclude that moderation in all things (a favorite mantra of theological liberals) is the answer to all questions about potentially hurtful substances.

Why are only two distinctive Adventist doctrines included in this new statement? Why are the others entirely left out? But because they chose two distinctive Adventist beliefs to mention in this statement, and left all others unmentioned, one is constrained to ask, Why? Especially in view of the widespread discomfort among other recent congregational departures from Adventism with such doctrines as the investigative judgment, the remnant church theology, and Ellen White!

     Thus, despite their claim to adhere to the official doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, this Offshoot is already making clear doctrinal priorities and writing doctrinal statements which differ significantly from those adopted by the worldwide body of Seventh-day Adventists in General Conference assembled. The careful observer is left with the grave concern that a gradual reduction in clarity on certain controverted points of SDA doctrine is being deliberately sought by those guiding this movement.

Conclusion: Feeding the Fire

     While at the ABC today, what did I find? Seventy+ copies (Saving Blood and The Shaking) filled with the gospel of Keavin Hayden, a man who has left behind key teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, including the investigative judgment, the remnant, and the Spirit of Prophecythe very same teachings left aside by Adventism's latest offshoot. In contrast, Real Grace for Real People, with a theology that is consistent with Adventism and keeps people in the Church, could not be found on the shelves of that store. The question must be asked, When will we learn? There is a theology that goes with contemporary apostasy from the Seventh-dayAdventistChurch, just as there is a theology that goes with remaining in the remnant. There is a real version of grace and there is a false one. By feeding the people the low-carb gospel we are preparing them to leave our own Church! Remember, the very doctrines shunned by Adventism's latest Offshoot are the ones that make us a distinct people.

     The new Offshoot already is launching a congregation in Vancouver, Washington. Another group, the non-Seventh-day Adventist Sabbath Grace Fellowship in Apopka, Florida may join them. The Offshoot is at work in other states as well.

Over the weeks to come we will publish a series of articles analyzing the claims of this new offshoot group, and the theological foundations upon which its apostasy from the organized Church rests. For example, Adventism's Latest Offshoot claims that the denominational structure today is like a dead horse that must be replaced. Is this so? We at GCO stand squarely in favor of living and giving the third angel's message from within the Seventh-dayAdventistChurch organization. It is a positive turn of tide that those who have so long lain as insurgents for error within our ranks are departing. If they would have joined us in giving the third angel's message that points to Jesus and victory in the Christian life, we would have urged them to remain. But if they are not with us, they should go out from us. Now some are. May God be praised!

     God is sifting His people. He will have a clean and holy church. We cannot read the heart of man. But the Lord has provided means to keep the church pure. A corrupt people has arisen who could not live with the people of God. They despised reproof, and would not be corrected. They had an opportunity to know that theirs was an unrighteous warfare. They had time to repent of their wrongs; but self was too dear to die. They nourished it, and it grew strong, and they separated from the trusting people of God, whom He is purifying unto Himself. We all have reason to thank God that a way has been opened to save the church; for the wrath of God must have come upon us if these corrupt pretenders had remained with us.

     Every honest soul that may be deceived by these disaffected ones, will have the true light in regard to them, if every angel from heaven has to visit them, to enlighten their minds. We have nothing to fear in this matter. As we near the Judgment, all will manifest their true character, and it will be made plain to what company they belong. The sieve is moving. Let us not say, Stay Thy hand, O God. The church must be purged, and it will be (EGW, Testimonies, vol. 1, pp. 99-100). 

I just spoke with pastor Kirkpatrick and he said greatcontroversy.org will be back up in June 2017.

Thank you for the update, Anonymous.

While I generally support Pr. Kirkpatrick's stances on most issues, his support for Last Generation Theology is not based on Go's inspired words.

Hoping this will help sir   Thank you so i can move on...

Hello, Gordon. Webmaster can see your email address. If you give him permission, he can pass the address on to NB. God bless.