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I have studied the Shepherd's Rod message thoroughly, Godsloveandlaw.  The Shepherd Rod's message has a kernel of truth, and lots of error.

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Victor Houteff 1943

The fact, though, that the church, as Nahum says, is not only to be relieved from affliction and freed from bondage but is also to be sentenced to death (Nah. 1:14), creates a paradox!

Very obviously, then, the penitent Laodiceans are separated from the impenitent ones during Assyria's fall, and then are liberated from her rule.

The trend of World War II leaves no doubt that it is the one foretold by the prophet Nahum.

The prophet, moreover, states that after the one that "dasheth in pieces" (Nah. 2:1) comes up before Assyria's face, then it is that Assyria makes her "loins strong," fortifies her "power mightily" (Nah. 2:1) -- which, as the whole world knows, is just what took place when Hitler came against the allies: The allies, being unprepared to fight Hitler when he started dashing in pieces, they necessarily fortified their power mightily after the war began. All these facts prove that World War II is the war prophesied by Nahum, and that Hitler is the one that "dasheth in pieces."

Furthermore, by the outcome of the war, England actually has not won. Yes, she has lost far beyond what she would have lost had she let Hitler have what he wanted in the first place -- only a part of Poland.

 As far as Inspiration is concerned, World War II has not ended.
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So we see that Victor Houteff was at best mistaken, and at worst, a deceiver.  Whichever you wish to believe, the fact that his teaching was false is clearly evident.

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In an address dated August 10, 1946, he announced: "Right now the Lord is advertising for at least 144,000 lifesavers, with headquarters at famous Mt. Zion-a greater post than was held by Joseph. "-Timely Greetings, Volume 1, Number 2, p.11.
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"Had the church as a body, or at least the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination accepted the message of reform as presented to them in 'The Shepherd's Rod, Volume 1, there would be no necessity for that class to fall by the figure of the five men with the slaughter weapons. It is the reception or rejection of the message that will fix the destiny of the two classes as described in the following testimony: (quotes Early Writings, p.270)."-The Shepherd's Rod, Volume 2, (1932), p.218.
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Mr. Houteff says: "The sealing of the 144,000 can not extend to the close of probation, for they must be sealed long before that time, and it must close before the loud cry of the third angel's message."-The Shepherd's Rod, p. 35. Also: "If we were to mark out the exact time of the beginning of this sealing, we would say it began sometime during 1929."-The Shepherd's Rod, p.32.  

Why 1929? Because he claims that light on the sealing work was given to him in that year (The Shepherd's Rod, p.157). Hence the year 1929 occupies a conspicuous place in one of his prophetic charts (The Shepherd's Rod, p. 221). Claiming that he began to proclaim the sealing message for the 144,000 in 1929, he adds: "Thus, the sighing and crying since 1929 for the abominations in the church, has been the supreme evidence that we are living in the period of the sealing."-The Answerer, No. 2, (1944), p.34. His theory is that the investigative judgment for the dead professed people of God extended from 1844 to 1929, and for the living from 1929 to the present time (The Answerer, No. 2 (1944) p.33; The Shepherd's Rod, Volume 2 [1932], p.150, 162).

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It is shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Shepherd's Rod is founded on error.

Why not repent, leave that false message behind, learn to love your fellow believers, and raise the voice of sighing and crying INSIDE Jerusalem instead of outside of it?



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Gibs-- be very careful here to speak the truth and to show you "love the truth"

You said --"Produce the quote please, " that EGW prophesied one man would come after her  in the "spirit and power of Elijah."

Has that man yet come?  I haven't seen that quote or heard that man yet!  Have you?" 

And I said that the quote from Testimonies to Ministers , p.475 is it.

Now why are you fighting those words? Does it not mention a "he" to come? Also does it not mention that  he would be an interpreter of Scripture? And that he would be rejected by the church?

Add those clues up and tell me.

Secondly, you said --Well judgment does begin at the house of God and I find nothing of a literal slaughter of people  in Adventism over any other that are apostate.

Let's look at EGW's writings closely--

"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled; yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling; will you hear? Will you receive His message? Will you be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)"

What do we see here? 

1) Ezekiel 9 is to be literal ,not symbolic

2)Our people are asleep and not preparing for this church judgment

3)Pride and ignorance are at the heart of their unpreparedness "Refuse to humble their souls and be converted."

4) This solemn event is to come to His people who have "such great and important truths revealed to them." No doubt meaning us as SDA.

5) As further evidence that she is warning OUR people she made this original statement to the Oakland and Berkeley SDA churches.

 

Do those five points correct your view that you "find nothing of  a literal slaughter of people in Adventism..."?

 

As I have mentioned we must "love the truth" in whatever form it comes to us in Scripture , SOP , and the Lord's last message of Elijah.





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Webmaster --"I have studied the Shepherd's Rod message thoroughly, Godsloveandlaw.  The Shepherd Rod's message has a kernel of truth, and lots of error."

Sure, and I have ocean front property in Arizona. 

How do I know you have NOT studied the Srod thoroughly ? Because you made those terrible comments that the SROD once taught that that men in the church (Davidians) would do the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. As God is my witness,  repent before you stand upon that lie and try to cover it up. God is not fooled.

Further, each and every one of those points you raise have been clearly dealt with and refuted,  but I will not waste my time explaining them to you because your stakes are deep and cannot be moved.

How do our Sunday keeping friends accuse us of false teaching? The SAME way you do with the Rod. Pointing out supposed errors of EGW and our Sabbath beliefs. What is your response to the numerous errors they come up with in EGW writings and Scripture?

 

"Their questioning is not for the purpose of arriving at truth, but is intended merely to confuse the minds of others. ..When their questions have been fairly answered, they will turn the subject [and} bring up another point to avoid acknowledging the truth. We should beware of indulging the spirit which controlled the Jews." (Test. to Ministers, p.108-109)

"Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence." (Testimonies, vol. 3, p.255)

 



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The Shepherds Rods claim to be the voice of God to the SDA church structure.

I firmly disregard that for the simple reason that the Word of God and His Spirit of Truth is His voice to His people.  In the beginning when EGW wrote the following quote the SDA's were not a structure of men but a people who were truly in His Church that the gates of hell had not prevailed against.

Well when men took the church over and became it's head it became a structure of men and not His Church!  Then men though to do the ordaining of it's pastors.  EGW tried to turn it back around and did partially in 1901 but in 1904 it solidly became the structure of men.

Hear this message well from EGW,

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.  {UL 315.5} 


     Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. . . .  {UL 315.6} 


     They that will be doers of the word are building securely, and the tempest and storm of persecution will not shake their foundation, because their souls are rooted to the eternal Rock.--Letter 108, Oct. 28, 1886, to her older sister and her husband who had not accepted the Sabbath truth.  {UL 315.7}

Now please hear our Master and our God,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Who of us will come up and try to say that it fell and we must build one for Him that is more able?

No! No!  All any of us need do is get right in His Church, yes and get it right and go to His Word, the only creed book and allow only Him, His Spirit of Truth to guide us into all truth and shew us things to come!

We have no need of theologians and commentaries of men!  We have the greatest teacher ever available 100% of the time, Christ in you the hope of glory, The Comforter, The Spirit of Truth.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Joh 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Mt 28:20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Folks, choose to follow Him only and be in His Church and forget structures of men and the world, Jesus is not in them and you only have Church when He is worshipped in Spirit and in Truth and He is present in the midst thereof.  No error can be entertained or He will not smell in the assembly and it is not Church!

Please go back and read EGW's statement above and you need to know that A T Jones taught basically the same.  I can post that if any want, though I see no need of more than Sister Whites testimony.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.



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Gibs--your latest response has not ONE comment addressing my questions.

This is becoming common with you(as it has happened in prior posts as well).

What's the purpose to interact when questions go ignored??

Is not truth the common goal?

The Scriptures say-- "Do unto others as you want done unto yourself."(Luke 6:31)

Do you want others to ignore your questions?

As mentioned before , truth should be our goal and if you or I show new truth that we did not know, we should cheerfully admit it and joy in it. This shows that the evil ones are not fooling us, we always side with truth EVEN IF our own understanding of certain points were wrong.

"He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, BECAUSE they REFUSE TO LOVE AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH  that would save them (2 Thes. 2:10)

As a lover of truth, should any (including you) point out an error in my understanding of Scripture or SOP , I would gladly say "correct and I see that now". Admitting our mis-understanding shows what?  WE--LOVE--THE--TRUTH.

 



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If my post did not answer your question, then it is the information you need to dispel your false ministry.  You only try to lead people into your thinking and misconceptions by the questions you ask.

I am not moved of you or any man, I prefer to be led and moved of His Spirit of Truth.

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.



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Gibs-- "If my post did not answer your question, then it is the information you need to dispel your false ministry.  You only try to lead people into your thinking and misconceptions by the questions you ask."

Unbelievable. You can't even admit that your statement here  - "-Well judgment does begin at the house of God and I find nothing of a literal slaughter of people  in Adventism over any other that are apostate" is woefully wrong and inaccurate.

The quote I gave you from EGW has exposed you as  unwilling to admit truth. What a sad condition. Instead of admitting you are wrong, you turn the subject onto me and claim I have a "false ministry". The ol, "point the finger at the messenger and don't look at the message" ploy.

"When their questions have been fairly answered, they will turn the subject [and] bring up another point to avoid admitting the truth." (Test. to Ministers, p.108)

 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth." (2 Tim. 2:15)

Gibs -"I am not moved of you or any man, I prefer to be led and moved of His Spirit of Truth."

You do? Then why did not your spirit of truth, agree that you were shown to be wrong in your belief of the above statement. Does not the "Spirit of Truth" advocate that we admit truth?

 



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Godslawandlove,

I know you think you are the messenger of God to His people but I don't see that you are.   You've come to the wrong place to sell yourself and the message you would like to spread.

I must bid you so long and will not respond no more to you.

Bro. Gibs.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.



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Godsloveandlaw, You have proved to us that you have neither God's love nor his law.

That is so very typical for Shepherd Rod adherents.

You will not be allowed to post your errors nor you hate-filled posts here again.

I pray you repent, leave the Sheperd's Rod teachings, and follow the Lamb of God wherever he leads smile



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