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http://vimeo.com/78072521

turn off the hd if your computer can't handle it...like mine blankstare

 



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Thanks for the link, nb.
I saw this video around 3 weeks ago, and found it appallingly contrary to the Biblical account.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.1 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


I really want to support my SDA church, but why do they insist on putting out stuff that throws doubt on the written words of God?

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sorry... I guess I did not listen that close... did they read a different account?  a different version possibly..



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Oh, you mean the intro where they take from John 1...  I see what you mean now.



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The video is supposed to show the Creation story, yet:

1. it gives the strong impression that the stars were made before this world

2. it shows the sun on day 1

3. it shows the dry land on day 1

4. it shows dark rain clouds on day 2

5. it shows lightning on day 2

6. it shows snow on day 3

I can't bear to watch any more of it again.

I hope our church doesn't promote this video any further.

 



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I watched most of the whole thing and will give it credit for bringing out the beauty of God's creation even after all the destruction of man on this earth, there is still much of the original beauty left.

Just think though before it is all done though which cannot be many yrs. it will be a total wreck.

I have an idea that when it is recreated that it will be more beautiful than the first time if that is possible.

I sure want to be one of Jesus Christ's subjects on it and one to keep it that way as all will be of the same mind and spirit to keep it also.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.



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The morning stars sang as they watched Earth's creation.  They were there before Earth.  

" The Sabbath was hallowed at the creation. As ordained for man, it had its origin when "the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." Job 38:7. Peace brooded over the world; for earth was in harmony with heaven. "God saw everything that He had made, and, behold, it was very good;" and He rested in the joy of His completed work. Genesis 1:31.  {DA 281.1}  

     Because He had rested upon the Sabbath, "God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it,"--set it apart to a holy use. He gave it to Adam as a day of rest. It was a memorial of the work of creation, and thus a sign of God's power and His love. The Scripture says, "He hath made His wonderful works to be remembered." "The things that are made," declare "the invisible things of Him since the creation of the world," "even His everlasting power and divinity." Genesis 2:3; Psalm 111:4; Romans 1:20, R. V.  {DA 281.2} "   

 

"In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after Their work of creation. When "the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them" (Genesis 2:1), the Creator and all heavenly beings rejoiced in contemplation of the glorious scene. "The morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." Job 38:7. Now Jesus rested from the work of redemption; and though there was grief among those who loved Him on earth, yet there was joy in heaven. Glorious to the eyes of heavenly beings was the promise of the future. A restored creation, a redeemed race, that having conquered sin could never fall,--this, the result to flow from Christ's completed work, God and angels saw. With this scene the day upon which Jesus rested is forever linked. For "His work is perfect;" and "whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever." Deuteronomy 32:4; Ecclesiastes 3:14. When there shall be a "restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began" (Acts 3:21), the creation Sabbath, the day on which Jesus lay at rest in Joseph's tomb, will still be a day of rest and rejoicing. Heaven and earth will unite in praise, as "from one Sabbath to another" (Isaiah 66:23) the nations of the saved shall bow in joyful worship to God and the Lamb.  {DA 769.2}  

 

 I was shown that the law of God would stand fast forever, and exist in the new earth to all eternity. At the creation, when the foundations of the earth were laid, the sons of God looked with admiration upon the work of the Creator, and all the heavenly host shouted for joy. It was then that the foundation of the Sabbath was laid. At the close of the six days of creation, God rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made; and he blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because that in it he had rested from all his work. The Sabbath was instituted in Eden before the fall, and was observed by Adam and Eve, and all the heavenly host. God rested on the seventh day, and blessed and hallowed it; and I saw that the Sabbath would never be done away; but the redeemed saints, and all the angelic host, will observe it in honor of the great Creator to all eternity. 

 

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The unfallen worlds are older than our solar system, or they could not have mourned when the traitor Lucifer became Satan, fought the first war, was cast out, went to the new planet with sentient species - humans - earth.  

Revelation 12:12  Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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Adam became a living SOUL, not a living being. Being is too nebulous a term, with no descriptive powers to open understanding to the realities of life, death, prophecy, salvation, judgement, sealing - etc. 

Genesis 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

1 Corinthians 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Revelation 16:3  And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

a living being = ? too nebulous undefined in Scripture .

a living soul = body + mind that functions to the minimum needs of it's species + breath of life . A living soul is dependent upon God for it's existence and continuance. 

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Adam & Eve were not naked till AFTER sin .  They were created wearing robes of climate controlling, multi sensory light that was an extension of their senses.  They became naked when the light vanished.  Tiny non useful levels seem to remain that science can detect.

http://www.livescience.com/7799-strange-humans-glow-visible-light.html

http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2009/jul/17/human-bioluminescence

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Eve was result of first surgery on Adam, with strongly symbolic lessons, but popping into being without that representation loses those significant lessons and opens the door to controversy over divine roles of equality vs headship in the pre-post sin gender roles.

No wedding happened - humanity relationships portrayed no different than animal kingdom.  No marriage = no 7th Commandment & accountability, no laws limiting divorce, etc.

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No rugged jagged mountains, clouds, rain, snow till after the flood.   

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Looks like no SOP & little majority text - received text Scripture was used - to gather data and align it in it's proper place and sequence before building the storyboard.

That was an expensive error, if an oversight; and insubordination if deliberate. 

"-I ask our people to study the twenty-eighth chapter of Ezekiel. The representation here made, while it refers primarily to Lucifer, the fallen angel, has yet a broader significance. Not one being, but a general movement, is described, and one that we shall witness. A faithful study of this chapter should lead those who are seeking for truth to walk in all the light that God has given to His people, lest they be deceived by the deceptions of these last days (Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 17, p. 30).  {4BC 1162.8}  

 

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"It is Satan's plan to weaken the faith of God's people in the Testimonies. Satan knows how to make his attacks. He works upon minds to excite jealousy and dissatisfaction toward those at the head of the work. {CCh 93.5} 

The gifts are next questioned; then, of course, they have but little weight, and instruction given through vision is disregarded. Next follows skepticism in regard to the vital points of our faith, the pillars of our position, then doubt as to the Holy Scriptures, and then the downward march to perdition. When the Testimonies, which were once believed, are doubted and given up, Satan knows the deceived ones will not stop at this; and he redoubles his efforts till he launches them into open rebellion, which becomes incurable and ends in destruction. By giving place to doubts and unbelief in regard to the work of God, and by cherishing feelings of distrust and cruel jealousies, they are preparing themselves for complete deception. They rise up with bitter feelings against the ones who dare to speak of their errors and reprove their sins. {CCh 94.1} 

It is not alone those who openly reject the Testimonies, or who cherish doubt concerning them, that are on dangerous ground. To disregard light is to reject it. {CCh 94.2} 

If you lose confidence in the Testimonies you will drift away from Bible truth. I have been fearful that many would take a questioning, doubting position, and in my distress for your souls I would warn you. How many will heed the warning? 121 {CCh 94.3} 

 



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The nature scenes are beautiful, but does the message adorn Scriptures doctrines or strip them of fair representation ? 

Could it have been done better, and in a more complete representative way, by those SDA's dedicated to faithful representation, as controlling parts of the planning and data collection and editing teams, with rule over finished results and quality ?

Such could have been and should have been invested in the process from the start to finish, if the end result was simply mistakes and over sights.  

But if deliberate retelling rewriting sacred history, propaganda against the received Text and SDA pillars of faith, the beautiful scenes of nature will testify against the finished product, and when compare with God's video records - damn the purposes and hidden agendas of deliberate insubordination and opposition - if it is seen to be such.

Far to dangerous in consequences to do anything but - love God & His Truths with all the heart - and represent God's works using God's received Texts and Testifying  as script and narration, and story board of video, editing, finished content. 



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I agree Ed, but at the top echelon of Adventism that has the resources

and ability to get it front of their peoples and others, I don't think it is going to happen from them.

I find the trouble is at the top and that is where Satan has gone and do you see any chance of turnaround?  I see that books of a new order have been written and pushed, the ABC here has quit too, can't sell enough of their stuff to keep going.

I do not, it is disgusting to go to the 3 nearest SDA churches here and hear the message.  I do not go anymore and a great many here don't.

I do my worship here from home in Spirit and in Truth.  I will not imbibe what is being brought forth from the pulpits anymore.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Gather the SDA's  that discern toxic preaching  and teaching, get them (the SDA's )to watch this series ( Total Transformation ) , then start a branch Sabbath School / storefront Church.  Then do spiritual inventory comparing themselves with Scripture to define if born again and with first love intact, or not.  Let the Elders research SOP / and Scripture to find what will restore conversion / born again & first love among the group.

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1182/1010-am-i-my-brothers-keeper/

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1190/1018-more-are-the-children-of-the-barren-woman/

Then research what evangelistic series used to be, before the push was for a short series and dunk them, use good Bible studies,( like Amazing Facts - for doctrines ) ( and build your own showing the nature and need and way  of conversion ), in the neighborhoods geared to convict of sin, show how to be born again, and present, teach, explain and tutor obedience to good doctrines, then hold meetings to bring the neighborhood Bible students to accept Jesus as their Saviour & Lord and obey all His teachings; once they do, then baptize them and not before.  Use a Conference evangelist of your choosing to examine the candidates and baptize them , ( so the new members will be accepted by the NAD & World Church ) ( Paul had Timothy circumcised due to Church politics pressures for Timothy's sake ). 

Getting a new heart -  http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/195/A_New_Heart/

Build up a growing healthy Bible obeying SOP believing SDA Church and the group hires their own God fearing SDA pastor .

Sounds like the early 1990's all over again doesn't it ?  Was nothing learned from that tumult ? Sometimes I wonder. 



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EGW describes what our church must be and at that time the SDA's were,

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.  {UL 315.5} 


     Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. . . .  {UL 315.6} 


     They that will be doers of the word are building securely, and the tempest and storm of persecution will not shake their foundation, because their souls are rooted to the eternal Rock.--Letter 108, Oct. 28, 1886, to her older sister and her husband who had not accepted the Sabbath truth.  {UL 315.7} 

We had such a Church for many years here and 3 to 4 of us spoke most of the time, for awhile membership reached around 60 and many were old and some came as high as 70 miles to attend.  Then many had to leave to other states and then the building we rented became so expensive we finally had to disband.  I am still in contact with some and all were truly SDA's.  Generic, not corporate.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.



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Here too in Japan, the compromise is very bad in the churches.

So, to heed the inspired warning that we are not to go where error is pressed home upon the conscience (paraphrasing), i usually don't attend any church.  Sometimes some other concerned SDA will want to meet with me and we have a study and talk and praise, but mostly Sabbaths are spent either skyping like-minded relatives, or else just reading and taking walks etc.  I've covered basically the whole area within walking distance of my place with 2,500 pamphlets i made up about the need to have a heart transplant that only Jesus Christ can give, but there was zero response to that....

One former high-up church official shockingly told me that he wished the organized church would fold in Japan so that laypeople could take over and run it according to God's ways.



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Yes, on compromise, what is needed again is Pastor Joe Crews little book "Creeping Compromise" reprinted by the millions and given out to all of the membership of the SDA church.

Joe saw it long ago and his book slowed it a bit but shortly since it came in faster than "Creeping", it has come in as a "Flood!"

I am amazed that the by far the greatest number in the churches cannot see any of the errors that have set in for the duration, unless they would all come awake and stand up as a whole and demand reform.

The few dissenting voices don't seem to move anything whatsoever!  All in it need to have His Spirit of Truth and it appears that He isn't in the midst and of which at least 90% I would estimate would be needed.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.



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