The Shaking

Date: Nov 26, 2005

The Shaking

Date: Nov 27, 2005

Thank you for the post JimT. I can empathize with you, as i sigh and cry over the abominations done in our beloved Seventh-day Adventist church. However, it has not become part of Babylon yet. Please read the original 1858 Great Controversy that you can download on this site. Especially pay attention to chapters 32 - 35, including The Shaking. The Seventh-day Adventist church is still, in 2005, the only object on earth on which he bestows his supreme regard, and we should support it, while pointing out its sins, and calling for repentance.

Date: Nov 27, 2005

One small correction, there are not four angels, only three. That is why we must give the Three Angels' Messages. The Loud Cry will be given by another mighty angel, but not the 4th angel. This is a bit important, because there are not 4 messages - only 3.

Date: Jan 16, 2006

We don't need to go out from the organized church. All we have to do is to examine ourselves....It is not the name that becomes the organization babylon but is the members....God has a way of refining the last day church...we need the Holy spirit to understand that God's way is not to "CALL OUT" but to "SHAKEN OUT"those people inside the church that has babylonic characteristic......This would fits your proposed title "The Shaking"

Jhun Cardeinte

Chiangrai, Thailand

mienfield@yahoo.com

Date: Jan 21, 2006

My contribution to the shaking is this. I came out of the SDA church just over a year ago January 2005. At the time I had no intention of doing so but the Lord lead me out. It was only after I came out and started really studying that I found out why. I saw that the SDA church was in apostacy and that God was calling His people out of the reach of the serpent in calling them out of the SDA church. It is indeed Babylon fallen and it is impossible to be saved whilst being associated with it. 'Having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof, from such turn away. is What God says. God's peculiar call to His faithful ones is to come out of Babylon.

Date: Jan 21, 2006

It is a big mistake to say that God lead you out from the organized church....Little knowledge is really very dangerous.....the word shaking needs to be understood properly....It is shaking in a sense that the members-nominal and faithful mixed together in one organized body.....and as God's way of refining his people God shaken out NOT calling out and those faithful few will remained in the fold.....God's church is only seven and no more 8th....God's church is not consist of small people in the last days....It is a big church so that the gospelwil be heard in all the world...If your organization you belong is in isolation and small is not the true church! because in the last days God's church will become universal......You cannot read in the Bible the true church is perfect......

I tried to join home church and other called reform group but I found ou that there were no true atmosphere of true worship and that only criticism towards the big organized church is being broadcast in the pulpit.....

Date: Feb 20, 2006

The shaking comes in this manner.

There is new light concerning the Sabbath. This new light is not acceptable to mainstream nominal Adventist who see it as a deception, and they turn in their former brethern to the Catholics for procecution. Therefore the shaking will not occurr untill legislation has been made concerning the Sabbath, and it becomes illegal for you to follow your convictions concerning the Sabbath. This is why you come out of the former congregation which has become a tool of Satan in the hands of apostate religion.

Date: Feb 21, 2006

According to what i just read in the origional GC on this site; Babylon is organized religion. Any and all--if your church has a president or pope or conference or law making assembly and if it has rules that say who can be members and who can't--then that is Babylon!

Date: Feb 26, 2006

I'm quite disappointed with the comments here. The Shaking is NOT caused by new light on the Sabbath. Please read the Great Controversy book on this site, titled The Shaking. It is caused by the straight testimony called forth by the True Witness to the Laodiceans.

Babylon is not just any organized religion. Read the GC book carefully, and you will see it is all the fallen Sunday-keeping churches.

Date: Mar 8, 2006

What we are experiencing now is the "small time of shaking."

"The Shaking" is something else entirely. It is when the government will step in and remove religious rights. I do believe there will be a great pouring out of the Holy Spirit at this time. Some will receive it and some will not. Those that do not receive it will not understand what is going on. Those that receive it will be empowered and enlightened with the Love of Jesus.

newbie

Date: Mar 14, 2006

Please read chapter 32 of the main book featured on this site - The Great Controversy Between Christ and His Angels, and Satan and His Angels. The Chapter title is "The Shaking". It clearly says that the Shaking will be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans.

I'm afraid that when the government establishes the Sunday Law, that the judgment will be all over for us Seventh-day Adventists already.

Let's prepare now, and raise the standard high !!!!

Date: Mar 15, 2006

these are all good comments. Its is correct that the shaking is brought to bare when those who are fully converted stand for the Present truth. This I believe is now since we see our denomination rapidly falling into appostacy. Shortly after the national sunday law goes into effect, probation for humanity will close. The testing time God is allowing is now. If we wait until a law is passed we will not be prepared to stand.

Date: Mar 24, 2006

I too used to believe that the mainline SDA Church was incapable of falling out of favor with God. After studying the SDA acceptance of the trinity, propagated by Leroy Froom and those who follow after the secular collegiate teachings of "Christianity" (rooted in Platonic/Aristotelian philosophy), I have come to reconsider my stance.

The straight testimony called forth by the "True Witness" (Jesus) is that He is the divine Son of God and His Father the One True God Just as the scriptures testify. This is the testimony of Jesus all throughout the book of John (concentrate on chapter 17 in the gospel of John, and the identification of the antichrist (little horn power) in the books of Revelation and first John). Without a cohesive doctrine in this area(like the early SDA's taught), the whole of the Christian economy is swept away.

Revelation

1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:
1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation

12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

The testimony of Jesus was never that He came to reveal the holy trinity. Please study to understand why this is important. We are not of those who draw back to Rome.

Thank you for reconsidering,

Dennis

Date: Mar 25, 2006

I think the Bible & SOP teach that the entire period of the "harvest'' ia a time of separation. This sifting experience is prophetically called "the shaking." Contrary to popular opinion, it has no reference to a departure from a church organization' but rather a division in principle and practice and standing in the sight of God. The wheat is bound 'by the truth" "in bundles or companies" by the third angel, the "sealing" angel. (EW 88-89.) The righteous are "receiving the heavenly mold" and "the wedding garment" that is "put upon every repenting, believing soul." (COL 311.) As the "King comes in" to examine the guests at the marriage feast, He sees who are wearing the "wedding garment"-Christ's "own unblemished character, that through faith is imparted to all who receive Him as their personal Saviour."-COL 310.

At this time Sunday law agitation is & will be on the increase more & more. Calamities by earthquake, floods, fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, pestilence, and accidents will become more frequent and more disastrous. In the religious world great and spectacular counterfeit revivals will sweep through the churches, including the S.D.A. This is Satan's last effort to deceive church members and leaders into thinking "that God is still working for the churches," and "is with them," (EW 33,261)~when in reality His presence has departed because of their apostasy and rejection of the message from heaven. (5T 210.) 'There will be a series of events revealing that God is master of the situation."-9T 96.

Date: Mar 29, 2006

Is the 3rd Angel the Sealing Angel? Never heard that one before.

The Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. We use this terminology as God knows that is easiest for us to understand, but it is not complete. Muslims use this to reject the concept that God has a son, as they say: "If God has a son, then he has to have a wife too". But God is not limited to our languages or limits of brain power

The "Straight Testimony" is nothing about the trinity doctrine. Please re-read chapter 32 "The Shaking" in this original 1858 Great Controversy Dennis-san. I feel your frustration with the church, but God is still leading us out as a people/denomination at this point in time anyway. Read chapter 29, last paragraph, and also chapter 33. Chapter29 lp shows that people will be called out from the churches at the end time. Chapter33 shows that the sunday-keeping churches are Babylon. SDA is not officially sunday-keeping, yet anyway!!

Date: Mar 29, 2006

I believe this will clear this up for you about the 3rd angel being the sealing angel.
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"I then saw the third angel. Said my accompanying angel, 'Fearful is his work. Awful is his mission. He is the angel that IS TO SELECT THE WHEAT FROM THE TARES, and seal, or bind, the wheat for the heavenly garner."-EW 118.

"I saw a little company traveling a narrow pathway. All seemed to be firmly united, bound together 6y the truth in bundles, or companies. Said the angel, 'the third angel is binding, or sealing, them in bundles for the heavenly garner. "-EW 88-9.

"An angel with a writers inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down th. censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, 'It is done. And all the angelic host laid off their crowns as Jesus made. the solemn declaration, 'He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

"Every case had been decided for life or death. While Jesus had been ministering in the sanctuary, the judgment had been going on FOR THE RIGHTEOUS DEAD, and then FOR THE RIGHTEOUS LIVING."-EW 279-80.

Date: Apr 2, 2006

I agree that the shaking will take place before the Loud Cry.

Date: Apr 5, 2006

Daniel,

I can tell that you have not read up on your pillar statements in the SOP. These original doctrines were not to change. This has been done under the guise of "progressive revelation/new light." If you think Jesus or the Holy Spirit can either have the same position as the One True God mentioned throughout the scriptures, then you do not understand the sanctuary message, and the atonement has no part because it makes Christ mediator between man and Himself. This is what has "swept away the whole Christian economy." Does this make sense?

Please do some more research Daniel and have an open mind. You will see the light here. The trinity is what takes the head out of the Godhead and SDA's who deny this have not studied and prayed until they receive a thus saith the Lord.

Dennis

Date: Apr 8, 2006

1858 GC

Date: Apr 10, 2006

RE: The Shaking

Date: Apr 10, 2006

Daniel,

You are correct. Some of the time my emotions get carried away but only because I fear for the souls of others who are following the church's teaching of the personhood of God. Emotions aside, do you think that Ellen White's comments found in the book Evangelism, and the one statement in the Desire of Ages that speaks about the life in Christ being original, unborrowed, and underived, constitute a trinitarian doctrine? Have you considered that even in light of these statements, M.L. Andreason went to investigate these and confirmed that even though they seem trinitarian, she was not, and he remained anti-trinitarian also?

Forget about where my studies have brought me, as people will conjecture on what it means to be brought "closer" to Christ for a thousand years. Concentrate on what the truth is as it is in Jesus, and lay aside personal leanings. This is what scripture tells us right? Are you willing to ignore clear Bible and SOP proofs of the early SDA teachings of the Godhead? This seems incongruent with your philosophy of going back to the original writings of the SOP don't you agree? I only want for you what the Lord would have from all of us. I don't want another battle with trinitarianism.

Dennis

Date: Apr 10, 2006

P.S.

Larry Kirkpatrick thinks that this study leads you away from Christ, but the scriptures say that this is life eternal, that we might know thee, the One True God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. Larry needs to study up on this before he is allowed to lead others in the p[ath he has chosen. Don't listen to him.

Dennis

Date: Apr 22, 2006

I've studied about the Trinity doctrine before, and the inspired counsel is the same today - there are 3 beings who are called God - The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

It is true that some people in the church get a confused picture of God with the "One in three" statement, thinking God is somehow morphing into various things as he wishes. This concept of God is rightly rejected, as Joseph Bates did.

I feel for you Dennis-san, especially knowing a bit about you, i fell an affinity for you. However, your harsh tone that sounds like you are angry with everyone who doesn't see everything on this Trinity doctrine exactly as you do, is sad to see. May we give all glory and honor to our lovely Saviour - in whom is life underived, unborrowed, the life he laid down for you and me - Jesus Christ.

Date: Apr 23, 2006

Daniel,

Yes, I admit there is some indignance and I want to tell you why:

1.) When I came out from a life which contrasted "the old man" I believed that the Lord had a true church on the earth which had the testimony of Jesus as it pertains to "knowing the One True God and Jesus Christ whom thou(He) had sent." Only to find out through many difficult experiences that this church has rejected this message in favor of a Roman counterfeit.

2.) The early, trusting experience I had with the pastor and people who brought me into the faith has become compromised and this fact has me in a terrible situation with my wife's side of the family, and my side of the family surely thinks I am off on a wild religious tangent because none of them believes the truth of the Sabbath and the rest.

3.) I feel alone and helpless in this situation and there are literally no people in my area to fellowship with who believe in the pioneer teaching about the godhead.

4.) My friend Daniel does not accept the pioneer godhead teaching, and I feel that he (and the other SDA's who have helped me along the way) is not being honest with the direction the Lord has lead him thus far, having stopped progressing toward the most primitive truth about Himself.

The Lord's spirit always takes us into ALL truth. This change has taken us away from the truth Daniel. Trinity is an error that has crept in under the radar because the watchmen are asleep. Where will you go from here riceball.

Dennis

Date: Apr 23, 2006

Dennis, (walk)

It is true that the better term is Godhead. In time, people change things and accept a term that more people understand. After the civil war there were many out of work and they were called hoe boys because they were cheap labor for the farmers. Later the term was shortedn to hobos.

It was the RC that coined the word trinity and there is no argument there. They have a different meaning of the word than we do. But when you use the word, most people will generally understand what you are talking about. When you get down to the nitty gritty, then you can explain more fully that there are differences.

My feeling is that you also have left the church because of so many compromises. Am I right? Well, if you think that was bad, just wait. We are in store for more. Soon, there will not be a choice as all the SDA churches will be closed and boarded up and seized. Why leave now. If you have some light to give then you can always work within the system. You can't have an ounce of influence if you have already divorced yourself. You can only work for change if you work in the system.

newbie

Date: Apr 23, 2006

Please Dennis-san, show me exactly where "My friend Daniel does not accept the pioneer godhead teaching," You know i've studied the pioneer writings very, very much. In my heart, with what i have studied so far, i believe exactly like they do, except all of them except Ellen White believed most of the prophecies of Revelation/Daniel were all finished in 1844. I want to be solid with the pioneers, and of course walking into new light that Jesus is wanting to impart to us.

I want to be one together in the faith. That is Jesus' most earnest desire as recorded in John 15-17. It is true we cannot be of one accord if we are cherishing error. Please show me my error Brother.

Newbie-san, Thank you for the from-the-heart comment. I usually show people that we must remain in the SDA church thru Ezekiel 9, and chapters 29-35 of the original 1858 Great Controversy. We must have the seal of God. Only those who sigh and cry for the abominations done in Jerusalem, who are THEMSELVES IN JERUSALEM, will receive this mark.

May we come into a unity in the faith.

Date: Apr 30, 2006

Daniel,

What is there about the trinity that could not be characterized by the omega of deadly heresies, and the spirit of antichrist? Why didn't Ellen White state in plain language why she believed in a doctrine which both her husband and the rest of the pioneers denounced as the wine of Babylon? This doctrine has error mixed in with some truth. It is the most dangerous form of heresy. While it is true that Jesus is divine in the highest sense, it is not true that He is the same being as His Father. This is what the trinity says. While it is true that the holy spirit is Christ's other self (His thoughts, mind, character, power, force, attitude, converting power, etc...), it is not true that it IS the personal being of Jesus Christ, or His Father, God. This is what the trinity says. It is not necessary that we know exactly what the holy spirit is. Please understand the difference between trinity and godhead, and please understand why the pioneers rejected it, and why you and everyone should.

Dennis

Date: Apr 30, 2006

Newbie,

No,

I have not left the church yet, only I am finding little reason to stay at this point because the people are misrepresenting the the mission and message given to her from God. I am hopeful that the Lord will make it right. For now I must be faithful to the church that the Lord raised up for the end time. I will not be asked to preach or lead any churches right now though. Persecution from the world may be the only antidote for the disease our church has succumbed to.

Dennis

Date: Apr 30, 2006

Dennis-san,

I'm so glad that you have not yet left the church.

Let me see if I can get this right.... Trinity means that Christ is just a clone of the Father? And the HS is just Christ's feelings in spirit form and not a separate being?

Date: Apr 30, 2006

Now we've got everybody using "san"

walk-san, You are correct in saying that Jesus is not the Father, and that the Holy Spirit is not "the personal being of Jesus Christ, or His Father, God." Yes, i know that is what Trinity doctrine expounders in centuries gone by said. It is gross, disgusting, and a great misrepresentation of our God.

However, that is NOT the commonly accepted view of those who use this term "Trinity" today. Ask some Baptists, Methodists, AG, or even Catholics, and probably over 90% of the people will say they view this term to mean that there are 3 beings who are rightly called God - The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

You write: "While it is true that the holy spirit is Christ's other self (His thoughts, mind, character, power, force, attitude, converting power, etc...)"

Not sure quite what you mean here.....We know that the Holy Spirit is not just a "force". It is a being with the power to be physically omnipresent, something Jesus does not have.

I have seen some people go clear out of the faith once delivered to our fathers over this anti-trinitarian doctrine. They fight against themselves, excommunicating everyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do, while they cannot agree even among themselves. I pray you do not fall into that trap, but that you will stand tall with God's remnant people. Again, i appreciate the dialog, and am willing to learn more at the feet of our Redeemer and loveliest among 10,000 - the Son of God, Jesus Christ.