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Lewis is teaching damnable false doctrine here, and it is even more wicked, in that it is intended for the indoctrination of children. First, according to Lewis, those who sincerely serve the devil (Tash) are actually serving God (Aslan), and will eventually be accepted by God. That is the heresy of Universalism, believing that God will somehow receive unbelievers and followers of false religions into Heaven even though they do not know Jesus Christ in this life. Furthermore, Lewis is teaching that salvation can be achieved by works and religious seeking, and that is a false gospel that is cursed of God in the book of Galatians.

http://endrtimes.blogspot.com/

The most dangerous aspect is that Lewis' writings are packaged for children. I grew up in a conservative home and yet I was exposed to these books. Decades later, Adventist children are watching block buster movies based on these books.

Today I avoid all fantasy. Many Adventists I know seem to accomodate fantasy quite comfortably in their lives. I have experienced the consequences. They may not experience the consequences for some time, but it will come and it is too horrible to contemplate.

"...live as you please, heaven is your home ...This is so glaring that all may see if they will." The Great Controversy Between Christ and His Angels and Satan and His Angels Chapter 30 paragraph 10

Would we read these books in God's presence? Note one person's response to God's presence. Daniel 10:15, 16, 17 "...I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb ... my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength ... neither is there breath left in me."


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He is quoted all the time on SDA literature and programs....

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C. S. Lewis references and quotes on greatcontroversy.org:

Screwtape, of C.S. Lewis fame, once spoke of getting people to run around with fire extinguishers in the middle of a flood (63). Listening to the anti-legalist obsession of so many in the church today, the paranoid articles, editorials and sermons which inflate the rarest of "right wing" excesses into monstrous church crises, and now this report on the ministries in question, one is persuaded that Screwtape is hard at work in the church we love.

http://www.greatcontroversy.org/documents/papers/pau-cryi.html

In this chapter Vandeman recalls a book titled The Screwtape Letters, by C.S. Lewis, in which a demon called Screwtape is giving advice to a less-experienced demon on how to ensnare human beings.

"'The game,' said Screwtape, 'is to have them all running about with fire extinguishers whenever there is a flood.'"

"Get people to crowd to the side of the boat that is already nearly under. When people are lukewarm and apathetic, get them stirred up about the dangers of enthusiasm and emotion. If they are lazy, talk to them about the hypocrisy of the working community. If they are cruel, warn them against the evils of sentimentality. . . ."

"In other words, let them hear loudly and repeatedly the warnings they don't need" (147).

No analogy could better describe...

http://www.greatcontroversy.org/reportandreview/pau-trailing.html

http://www.dennispriebe.com/documents/Prophet%20or%20Priest.html

greatcontroversy.org is considered to be very conservative and yet they are quoting C. S. Lewis!

Lewis' evangelical American "clientele" simply don't get it. When C.S. Lewis speaks of the blessed sacrament, they don't hear it. When Lewis speaks of the prayers of the Church, they don't hear it. When Lewis speaks of auricular confession, which he practiced, they don't hear it. I think when Lewis smokes a cigarette or drinks his whiskey, they don't see it, either...

http://endrtimes.blogspot.com/

Can two walk together, unless they be agreed? Amos 3:3



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Sister in Christ

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Sorry I keep forgetting to type name. The above post was by me.

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This is only the tip of the iceberg of compromise I'm afraid...

Oh, and I knew it was you... aww.gif

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Maybe "webmaster" sounds a bit too strong???  A bit like "dictator"?

But whenever i mention anything to anybody about maybe C. S. Lewis not being such a good author to read, whew! --- suddenly i'm the "FUNDAMENTALIST" fanatical man who has nothing better to do than diss everything!

I sure am glad "Sister in Christ" is doing it, now maybe some people will sit up and listen smile

BTW, in my experience with Dennis Priebe and greatcontroversy.org people, they have not shown humbleness.  I've said it before, and will say it again, even tho it sounds very, very self-serving ---- With only possibly one or two exceptions, everyone i personally know who is against the 1858 Great Controversy book, has some major problems with the truth.

OK, off my soapbox.....

You know, if more of us voiced objections to Babylonish authors, maybe we would as a church get back more to the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy?  In my travels especially in SE Asia, i saw more families and pastors with Max Lucado's and Billy Graham's and Rick Warren's books than with Ellen White books no

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Webmaster: BTW, in my experience with Dennis Priebe and greatcontroversy.org people, they have not shown humbleness.  ... With only possibly one or two exceptions, everyone i personally know who is against the 1858 Great Controversy book, has some major problems with the truth.

I have several books and booklets from greatcontroversy.org. The C.S. Lewis quotes I only found today. In addition, Webmaster, your comments concern me. Would you care to elaborate? Are you saying that Dennis Priebe and the greatcontroversy.org people are against the 1858 Great Controversy book and that they have major problems with the truth? Dennis Priebe seems humble in the audio presentations I have heard.

I agree that we should be reading the Bible and Ellen White's writings, however, it is helpful to refer to other books. For example, I am looking at classic book, M. L. Andreasen's book 'The Santuary Service'.

Newbie and Webmaster what does your reading list look like?

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Sister in Christ

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In case you missed it, the title of this topic is "Living in God's Presence - C. S. Lewis Occult Books in Church". Yes, there are C. S. Lewis books in Adventist church libraries which is terrible. However, what I was thinking is the following: church members = the church, therefore, what church members have in their homes = what is in the church.

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Sister,
There is so much that I yet have not absorbed into my brain that is SOP and bible that I just can't imagine reading mainstream material... I do know that many are looking elsewhere for something 'new' and exciting to present. I don't know where they get the time to do all this outside reading.. I'm pressed to finish all the SOP out there and still have sections and verses of my bible that are difficult to understand. I could be wrong but my feeling is that they are not studying as they should and are not reading SOP and bible as a major source. This is a sad sad thing indeed.
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church members = the church, therefore, what church members have in their homes = what is in the church.

Yes, that is what is happening -- And i think the biggest reason is that nearly all our SDA leaders (including Priebe and Kirkpatrick) do not believe the words in the Bible are from God.  Even our Fundamental Belief number 1 about the Bible's inspiration leaves room to wiggle.

So if the words in the Bible and SOP are "good", but not "inerrant", then it is an easy step to read and promote books by others that "seem to be OK".  BTW, the corresponding Fundamental Belief in the 1931 church manual said that the Bible is "unerring".

I'm not saying we must only read Bible and SOP.  God can and will give new light thru his instruments - but why should we go back to Babylon for light, when they've been in darkness for over 160 years?!?!



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Sister in Christ

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Thank you newbie and webmaster for your encouraging message of focusing on the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy.

"...why should we go back to Babylon for light, when they've been in darkness for over 160 years?!?!"

Please clarify webmaster. Babylon is who and the date is what?

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Thy Word sheds light upon my path;
A shining light, it guides my feet;
Thy righteous judgments to observe
My solemn vow I now repeat.

In my distress I plead with Thee,
Send help according to Thy Word;
Accept my sacrifice of praise
And make me know Thy judgments, Lord.

In danger oft and nigh to death,
Thy law remembered is my aid;
The wicked seek my overthrow,
Yet from Thy truth I have not strayed.

Thy precepts are my heritage,
For daily they my heart rejoice;
To keep Thy statutes faithfully
Shall ever be my willing choice.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/hymns/hymn.cfm?hymnID=2479

Psalm 119:105



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