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Sister in Christ

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Please explain civil, nautical and astronomical twilight? Which time is followed for calculating Sabbath sunset?

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Depends on where you are in the world.... it is a good question however. I once asked about the Eskimos and how they observed Sabbath and no one could answer my question. Later I found that they just set the same time no matter what the sun is doing.... 6 pm on Friday to 6 pm on Saturday. During their summer months the sun never really sets (it dips a bit), and during the winter months much darkness. I'm sure that this would apply also to those living in extreme southern regions of the globe as well.

For most of us it is sunset on Friday until sunset on Saturday.

I hope that helps a bit...

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The periods of incomplete darkness following sunset and preceding sunrise. Twilight is designated as civil, nautical, or astronomical, as the darker limit occurs when the center of the sun is 6 degrees, 12 degrees, or 18 degrees, respectively, below the celestial horizon.

I don't know which one is used to determine "sunset".  Ellen and James White at first believed 6pm to 6pm was OK to determine Sabbath hours, but Ellen was later shown by an angel that it should be from "even to even".

In the SOP it is written regarding the question of what Eskimos should do, and it says basically that God never intended for humans to live there, and those who do live there can do something sensible to keep the Sabbath.

My question is: What do you do about flying around the date-line?  One time i left Japan right at sunset on Friday evening, and landed Friday morning in LA.  Did i break the Sabbath?  And what about those who start out on Friday morning and land at sundown on Saturday - do they miss one Sabbath?  Again, i think we need to be sensible in all this.  Personally, i try to avoid all that by flying the other days of the week aww



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Good point webmaster.... I like the questions about the international dateline. One could actually celebrate two Sabbaths in a row if they timed it correctly. biggrin.gif

I like what you said about not traveling on the Sabbath but if one had to, I would go by body time and take the Sabbath as usual and get adjusted later on in the week. yawn.gif

Interesting what I just read about a man on the C.H.I.P. lifestyle of almost zero fat in their diet and limited sweets and all vegan: Once he went almost 0 fat in his diet he does not experience any jet lag anymore from his business travels overseas. Oh, and has completely reversed his heart disease without drugs or surgery. aww.gif

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Sister in Christ

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Thank you for your comments.

I found this interesting article:

http://www.eternalcog.org/ecgarticles/sunsetordark.html

It quotes lots of Bible verses explaining that Sabbath begins at sunset not twilight.

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This is true Sister,
But, I'm reminded that sometimes we need a down time to get our mind at peace before Sabbath begins. Twilight is a good time to start setting the world aside and to be at peace and usher in the Sabbath in prayer... smile.gif

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Sister in Christ

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I agree. My aim is to be ready an hour before sunset today. I am contemplating waiting an hour after sunset tomorrow before launching into the activities of a new week.

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Good point sister.... we need to guard the hours around the Sabbath for worship in our Lord Jesus. Both before and after..... I try and usher it in with prayer and also out with prayer as well. I find that even when the Sabbath is over I'm already preparing for the next Sabbath. smile.gif

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Sister in Christ

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During our holiday we spent a Sabbath in high mountains. We could not see the sun set over the horizon, rather we watched the sunlight retreat up a peak as the shadow advanced. when did Sabbath begin in that location?

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The sunset starts whether we see it or not.

I travel a lot, and sometimes forget to check the new spot to see what time the sun sets.  That is my fault, but what troubles me, is that most everywhere i go, none of the SDA's know exactly what time the sun sets either.  The common reply in SE Asia is "around 6pm".  Yes, i know that, but like in Bangkok, it varies from around 5:45 - 6:45 thru the year, and such an ambigious answer is not good enough.

Sounds nice about the mountains tho sun.gif


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Sister in Christ

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The times of rise and set phenomena cannot be precisely computed, because, in practice, the actual times depend on unpredictable atmospheric conditions that affect the amount of refraction at the horizon. Thus, even under ideal conditions (e.g., a clear s ky at sea) the times computed for rise or set may be in error by a minute or more. Local topography (e.g., mountains on the horizon) and the height of the observer can affect the times of rise or set even more. It is not practical to attempt to include such effects in routine rise/set computations.

The accuracy of rise and set computations decreases at high latitudes. There, small variations in atmospheric refraction can change the time of rise or set by many minutes, since the Sun intersects the horizon at a very shallow angle. For the same reason, at high latitudes, the effects of observer height and local topography are magnified and can substantially change the times of the phenomena actually observed, or even whether the phenomena are observed to occur at all.

http://www.adventist.org/sun/help/

Options:
1/ Follow visual observation only.
2/ Follow clock only.
3/ Follow a combination of clock and observation.

From your answer, it seems you are advising option two. If so, then this would be relevant to your statements regarding Sabbath observance in the artic circle.

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This is interesting about what our SDA church has to say about the sunset.  I've never seen this before.

I know very few people who live in a place where it is practicable to physically observe the sunset.  If you are, then that would seem like the best way to go.
  I wonder what the Jews do?

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Sister in Christ

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Exodus 31:12-18 shows that the death penalty was administered to Israelites who broke the Sabbath. They didn't have electronic watches nor computerized sunset tables. They had the sun to go by.

http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/holy-days/when-does-the-sabbath-begin.html

This is a very interesting article explaining Sabbath observance in unusual situations e.g. dateline, polar regions and elevation.

I started this post because I had been at high altitude with no possibility of observing the setting sun. My husband and I watched the beautiful scene of the reflected sunlight advancing up a mountain peak. From my reading, I have concluded that sunset occurred when there was no light reflecting from the peak i.e. it was in shadow.

This is based on the understanding that there is a distinct dividing line between day and night called sunset. In a normal situation, the sun is setting when there are shadows and the sun can be observed disappearing over the horizon. Sunset is when there is still light but the sun is not visible. Night is when it is dark after this period of fading light.

Ellen White:
Before the setting of the sun, let the members of the  family assemble to read God's Word, to sing and pray. There is need of reform here, for many have been remiss. We need to confess to God and to one another. We should begin anew to make special arrangements that every member of the family may be prepared to honor the day which God has blessed and sanctified. {CG 529.1}



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4) Time Frame of the Sabbath. Biblical Data: The Sabbath starts at the end of the sixth day of the week and lasts one day, from evening to evening (Gen 1; Mark 1:32). This time coincides with the time of sunset. Wherever a clear delineation of the time of sunset is difficult to ascertain, the Sabbath keeper will begin the Sabbath at the end of the day as marked by the diminishing light.

http://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/documents/article/go/0/sabbath-observance/

 

The sun will set at 18:09 in my location this week. Therefore, I need to be ready to worship by 18:00. It will still be light but the sun will be disappearing over the horizon. Actually, it may be a bit earlier because, from my view, the sun sets behind mountains not on the flat horizon. I need to be disciplined and well prepared because I will be involved in organizing a spiritual retreat and I know that others will not be ready until 18:30.



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God be with you as you set a proper example smile



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EGW says we should guard the hours even before the Sabbath... winding down, preparing the mind...



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http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunrise.html

 

use this to plug in any where on the globe sunset times



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http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/japan/kobe



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That's so cool!

I use Time and Date all the time for my sunset times, but had never actually seen that page that shows all the civil, nautical, twilight etc. times in such a nice, graphical way :)

BTW, newbie, could you please select all your comment, then go to "Font Size", and choose "12pt"?  Your writing is so small, and my eyes are getting so old.....



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webmaster wrote:

That's so cool!

I use Time and Date all the time for my sunset times, but had never actually seen that page that shows all the civil, nautical, twilight etc. times in such a nice, graphical way :)

BTW, newbie, could you please select all your comment, then go to "Font Size", and choose "12pt"?  Your writing is so small, and my eyes are getting so old.....


 I guess the font is just the default put on here.

So is mine coming up 10 pt instead of 12?  I will try and remember to change it often... 



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so I changed the font and it looked the same to me...

here is 14...maybe that is better...



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Those fonts are looking better and better, NB smile

How did your spiritual retreat go, Shireen?



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Shireen

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I was late starting the opening Sabbath worship because I left my keys behind. no

 

Unfortunately it seems something usually comes up. However, if I hadn't aimed for the correct time, then we would have started even later. I heard later that other groups started an hour or more late. I was pleased that we started almost on time.

Over all the retreat was a wonderful blessing. Thank you for asking.



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Glad to hear of that!  So do most of the people end the Sabbath late too?



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Shireen

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Yes, Adventist Youth often continues until after sunset.



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