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george (Zurich-Switzerland)

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How would Our Lord define His church??
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There is a big discussion goingon today in this part of Europe where I come from Switzerland, about what or who is the church some claim the conference churches has gone too far apostate that its far better attending home churches some say No,  the SDA is still a chosen church and no matter evil within, God will still see His people  thru it all. How do we define the church and when I say how do we define the church, I mean how would Our Lord define His church??

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Anonymous

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George,
From what I understand, the "church" will go through a crisis.  Not all churches within the denomination are bad.  The people within the "church" will be divided and shaken badly.  The ones that are true will join up and comprise the remnant that will receive the latter rain during the Loud Cry at the end of the 3AM.  God help us all!!!  Find yourself a traditional church or try and change the one you are in if there is some diversion....  We will be judged as a nation, as a denomination, as a family, and as ourselves.  Sometimes all we can do is to ask Jesus to keep us from evil.   smile

mrs. newbie

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daniel

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I have considered deeply twice in my life whether or not i should remove my name from the Seventh-day Adventist church books.  There are many things very wrong with the church.  My mother did have her named removed in the 1970s when the church officially gave a gold medal to the then pope. 

I disagreed with her action then, and still believe it was not correct.  But she did have some arrows of truth when she said "How can you still call yourself a member when you don't pay tithe to the General Conference, and when you often don't attend church at all because of the apostasy in your local church?

Looking back at the example of the chosen people of God - Israel - in the Bible helps understand our current situation a lot.  Look how far they wandered away from God - setting up idols everywhere, defiling the sanctuary, sacrificing their children to idols, and even outright killing of the prophets!  And yet, until they put Jesus on the cross, they were his chosen nation.

While our SDA church hasn't gone to these physical lengths of apostasy, we have the example of the Israelite nation before us, and with the blazing light of the gospel and of the 3 Angels' Messages, our responsibility is much greater for the evils existing within the camp today.

But there is one thing that by itself is strong enough to keep me in God's denominated church - no one can in the power of the Holy Spirit point to any action that would show to all that we must separate from the SDA church now.  For my mother, it was the gold medal to the pope.  When i mention this to some disaffected people who have left the church, many of them do not even know of this event.  Some point to the trademark lawsuits in the 1990s.  Some point to the general backsliding.  One man even promotes the idea that it happened in 1901-1903 time frame when the church officially adopted a new form of government.  When i showed that even Ellen White would be damned then, because she did not leave the church, he quit communicating with me.

In reading the 1858 Great Controversy book it is clear that Satan is not so worried about individuals in the church, it is the BODY that he is so angry against.  That's because it is the BODY that will support the individuals.  Every where i travel it is the SDA church that i look for.  There is where you will find most of God's true people.  You can usually find 1-3 people in every church, like the salt of the earth, who are really trying to follow the Lord.

So i would recommend to keep in the SDA church, and "sigh and cry" for all the abominations done in it.  Read Ezekiel chapter 9.  Please notice the PLACE where you must be if you wish to receive the mark of the angel in the forehead.  That is very important.  If you leave the structure that we all know was originally set up by God, how can you still fulfill the injunction of Ezekiel chapter 9?

What does the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy say?

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Jeffery Fitzsimmons

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Hi Friends in Christ

First of all, dont misunderstand my intent and I am deliberately knocking our Church; the blessed vessel of end time truth.

Every now and then I think about the effectiveness of our church in getting "the message" across, the imminent soon return of Jesus (Christ our Righteousness).  One would expect with 150 years of experience, we should know what we are doing and possibly know where we are going.

Considering the global affect of the Adventist Message, we as a whole don't even get 1% of worlds faithful participation/influence. I suppose we need to re-examine our methods, re-assess our commitment and at heart - do our lives, live the written Word, painted by our actions and deeds.

How is that if someone says, "Have you tried Coke-Cola, what color is it, what is it label???"  Yet if we said the same about SDAs beliefs, what would they say?

I am not for throwing away the foundations, truth or principals to be blown to the wind.  But simply saying the obvious, what we are doing within the church and community at large is not working.  I can't remember the last baptism, I think it was my own that I attend, (20yrs ago??)

In Christ

Jeffery
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