abomination of desolation

Date: Mar 26, 2020

abomination of desolation

Date: Apr 26, 2020

I also found this quote interesting when I first saw it. First of all, the [Text ends here.] thing is something that can be seen over and over again it the Lt.&Ms. that were released in 2015. This is one more reason not to apply the doctrine of preservation to the testimonies but only to the Word of God.

Regarding the abomination of desolation itself, the way it is presented here it is in harmony with the Bible I believe, but not in harmony with the understanding the sda's have (as far as I know, at least).

Date: May 7, 2020

I agree that most sdas do not understand this scripture.

Date: Jul 12, 2020

I saw the saints leaving the cities and villages, and associating in companies together, and living in the most solitary places. {1SG 201.1}

This is another quote that is in harmony with the Bible. I don't know any other sign for leaving the cities that is given in the Word of God except for the one that is given by Jesus in Mat. 24: the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. This brings the great tribulation (Rev. 7:14), of the time of Jacob's trouble, and the saints that will be going through this will be the 144000. Here, in 1SG 201, are leaving both cities and villages at a time after the close of probation. So, all this sda folklore with the national Sunday law as a sign to leave the cities is a false test with no ground in the Scriptures. I'm not accusing anyone here without accusing myself because I was pretty much into this.

Date: Jul 12, 2020

I believe this is correct.

Date: Jul 12, 2020

Check this out ....

It is no time now for God's people to be fixing their affections or laying up their treasure in the world. The time is not far distant, when, like the early disciples, we shall be forced to seek a refuge in desolate and solitary places. As the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman armies was the signal for flight to the Judean Christians, so the assumption of power on the part of our nation in the decree enforcing the papal sabbath will be a warning to us. It will then be time to leave the large cities, preparatory to leaving the smaller ones for retired homes in secluded places among the mountains.. 5T 464.2-5T 464.3

Date: Jul 13, 2020

Nb wrote:
Check this out ....
It is no time now for God's people to be fixing their affections or laying up their treasure in the world. The time is not far distant, when, like the early disciples, we shall be forced to seek a refuge in desolate and solitary places. As the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman armies was the signal for flight to the Judean Christians, so the assumption of power on the part of our nation in the decree enforcing the papal sabbath will be a warning to us. It will then be time to leave the large cities, preparatory to leaving the smaller ones for retired homes in secluded places among the mountains.. 5T 464.2-5T 464.3

It is not the purpose of God that His people should colonize or settle together in large communities. The disciples of Christ are His representatives upon the earth, and God designs that they shall be scattered all over the country, in the towns, cities, and villages, as lights amidst the darkness of the world. They are to be missionaries for God, by their faith and works testifying to the near approach of the coming Saviour. {8T 244.3}

Does this not apply to the large cities too? Will all the saints be farmers taking care of their farms during the loud cry? Why did Jesus tell us the following words: For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it? How does this harmonize with this call to leave the cities for fear of starvation during the loud cry (which is after the NSL)? Or, even worse, how does it harmonize with the call to find hiding places in the mountains, when there is a perishing world in desperate need to hear the last warning God is giving? I'm simply asking some questions as one who didn't give thorough consideration to them myself.

Date: Jul 13, 2020

Excellent points Zafer!!

Thank you biggrin

Date: Jul 18, 2020

I too used to believe the traditional SDA teaching that the National Sunday Law would be the Abomination of Desolation as spoken of by Daniel. But that doesn't match what I've learned over the years, especially in the original, 1858 Great Controversy (sometimes called 1SG). The AOD is when Satan stands in the 3rd temple, showing himself as God. That MUST be before the Close of Probation, or else it would not be the almost overwhelming delusion that Bible and SOP describe it as.

We must remember that we will not just slide into the NSL. Satan's angels will be given freedom to appear to people before that happens, and probably God's fireball judgments will also happen before that time.

For many of our fellow SDAs who aren't putting oil in their lamps, they will be blind to the signs of the times, just as the Jews were in Christ's day. Let's be careful that we have that oil in our lamps, or better yet, be giving the Loud Cry at midnight to wake up the sleeping virgins. smile

Date: Jul 20, 2020

Not sure I understand fully webmaster what you said here

Satan personates Christ after the close of probation for man. Bible says none will repent. Satans crowning act comes after the closed door. His deceptive workings behind the scenes are working well now and during the little time of trouble he will work successfully through the papacy and false prophet.

Date: Jul 21, 2020

OK, I'll look up some SOP quotes, and of course there are a couple of Bible references for this too, that show clearly that Satan will appear as Christ before the Close of Probation. Give me a few days....

Date: Aug 1, 2020

Satans Last Deception 1884

Satan sees that he is about to lose his case. He cannot sweep in the whole world. He makes one more, last, desperate effort to overcome the faithful by deception. He does this in personating Christ. He clothes himself with the garments of royalty which have been accurately described in the vision of John. He has power to do this. He will appear to his deluded followers, the Christian world who received not the love of the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness (transgression of the law), as Christ coming the second time.

He proclaims himself Christ, and he is believed to be Christ, a beautiful, majestic being clothed with majesty and, with soft voice with pleasant words, with glory unsurpassed by anything their mortal eyes had yet beheld. These, his deceived, deluded followers, set up a shout of victory, Christ has come the second time! Christ has come! He has lifted up His hands just as He did when He was upon the earth, and blessed us.

Here it was [that] the masterly effort of Satan would have deceived the very elect. But who were the ones blessed by him? Whom did he make glad? Whom did he honor? The combined powers of earth, the churches fallen by rejecting light and the messages of mercy Heaven had sent to heal Babylon but she refused. (Christ had declared the friendship of the world was enmity with God. Whosoever would be a friend of the world was the enemy of God.) The papal power, the man of sin which thought to change times and laws, that had presented a rival sabbath to the world to be worshiped, the apostate power who sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God, the power that drank the blood of the saints is united with the Protestant churches, having two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon; the deceptions of spiritualism which have perpetuated Satans lie uttered in Eden, Thou shalt not surely die [Genesis 3:4]all these are bound up in bundles, a corrupt harmony under a corrupt leader. The blessing is pronounced by this false christ upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, [the people] who have received the mark of the beast and the mark of the image of the beast.

Here is the only hope of Gods peoplethe unerring word of Jehovah that there would be a remnant only in this trying time who would keep the word of Christs patience, who would not worship the beast, papal Rome, or his image (Protestants who are represented by the image beast with lamb-like pretensions but speaks as a dragon). If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11.

Appearances will deceive. The masterly miracle-working power of Satan has carried the whole world with them and the fallen churches, and those only who have [made] the Bible their study, who have the law of God engraven in their hearts, will stand the test of this time of satanic delusion and peril. If it were possible, Jesus tells us, they would deceive the very elect. Satan in personating Jesus Christ is worshiped as God. Shout upon shout of victory is heard in adoration and in praise.

Angels of God are waiting the mandate from the divine Advocate which shall place man above the wrath of Satan. The Lord of heaven and of earth sorrows and rejoices over His repenting, believing children. Their steadfast [adherence to] principle was attended by loss, sacrifice, and peril. Their adherence to the commandments of God provoked calumny and [the] hatred of the disloyal and apostate churches. Whatsoever is not sustained by the Bible standard must not be entertained. Those who are the agents of Satan are vindictive, cruel, and like their master. Those who make the Bible their standard must expect abuse, outrage. In the cause of truth there can be no compromise.

Jesus is looking from His throne upon His people. His interest is identified with His suffering brethren. With joy the angel hears the word from Jesus, Take away the filthy garments from him and clothe him with change of raiment. And He said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. [Zechariah 3:4.] Satan sees that he is about to lose his last chance of subverting these souls and he brings all the powers of his satanic generalship into intense activity. This last great act in the drama is in personating Jesus Christ. His disguise is discerned by none but those who are established in the Scriptures and acquainted [with] the word of God. [possible page missing here]

The saints look on with amazement. Will they also be deceived? Will they worship Satan? Angels of God are about them. A clear, firm, musical voice is heard, Look up. There was one object before the praying ones[the] final and eternal salvation of their souls. This object was before them constantlythat immortal life was promised to them who endure unto the end. Oh, how earnest and fervent had been their desires. The judgment and eternity were in view. Their eyes by faith were fixed on the blazing throne, before which the white-robed ones were to stand. This restrained them from the indulgence of sin. They were ripening for heaven. They had been cultivating spiritual mindedness, and striving soul, might, mind, and strength with persevering energy to copy the Pattern, that they might be without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, and meet their Lord in peace. Their souls went out in all the intense longing for to see Jesus, and by beholding by faith the character and purity of Jesus they were being transformed into His image. They were being brought into close harmony with Jesus Christ, and they had indomitable purpose. They would not dishonor God; they would not receive the mark of the beast or of his image; they would overcome as servants and sons of God, that they might inherit all things.

As a child lost weeps and longs for home, so did the remnant long to see Him whom their souls loveth, their Deliverer, Him in whom their hope of eternal life was centered. Pilgrims and strangers amidst labors, sorrows and conflicts, they turn the eye of faith heavenward, exclaiming, Come, Lord Jesus, and come quickly. Homethe mansions Christ has gone to prepare for them; how they long for their home in glory, how they long to enter within the gates of the city and dwell in the presence of Jesus forever. Their desires have been cherished long, and as Satan and his angels inspired the world, the church, and state against them, their souls with intense longings have cherished the soul-inspiring hope of overcoming and wearing the crown of life. Their character had obtained the heavenly mold that gave them discernment to see the disguises of Satan. Their understanding of Scriptures had given them a fixedness of purpose, an indomitable energy, which rendered them impossible to be molded or subdued by earth or hell. If they would be discouraged, Satan would have overwhelmed them.

They count all things loss for the excellency of Christ. They could not be bribed or seduced or terrified. They were deaf to the siren song of pleasure, blind to the dazzling splendors presented before them to confuse, to allure, their senses. Worldly distractions, ambitions, honors were presented before them but only to be rejected. Indifferent to the threats and unmoved by terrors of the infernal powers, they could not be overthrown by Satans devices.

One effort more, and then Satans last device is employed. He hears the unceasing cry for Christ to come, for Christ to deliver them. This last strategy is to personate Christ and make them think their prayers are answered. But this answers to the last closing work, the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. [Text ends here.]. 4LtMs 1.1884101600-4LtMs, Ms 16, 1884, par. 11

Date: Aug 2, 2020

I remember reading that a year or so ago. :)

To me, it looks quite clear from just that, that Satan's appearance is before the Close of Probation.

Here is more light on the subject:

Fearful sights of a supernatural character will soon be revealed in the heavens, in token of the power of miracle-working demons. The spirits of devils will go forth to the kings of the earth and to the whole world. Rulers and subjects will be alike deceived. Persons will arise pretending to be Christ, and claiming the title and the worship which belong to the world's Redeemer. They will perform wonderful miracles of healing, and will profess to have revelations from Heaven contradicting the testimony of the Scriptures. 4SP 441.2

As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will attempt to personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour's advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. [Revelation 1:13-15.] The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air, Christ has come! Christ has come! The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands, and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed his disciples when he was personally upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying, This is the great power of God. 4SP 442.1

But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false Christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image,the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God's unmingled wrath shall be poured out. And, furthermore, Satan is not permitted to counterfeit the manner of Christ's advent. The Scriptures teach that as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be; [Matthew 24:27.] that he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him; [Revelation 1:7.] that he will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; [1 Thessalonians 4:16.] that he will come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, [Matthew 25:31.] and will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect. [Matthew 24:31.] Those who have received the love of the truth will be shielded from the powerful delusion that takes the world captive. By the testimony of the Scriptures they will detect the deceiver in his disguise.

There's more, but this is all I can find for now.

Date: Aug 2, 2020

The combined powers of earth, the churches fallen by rejecting light and the messages of mercy Heaven had sent to heal Babylon but she refused.

cry Notice that their fate is sealed at this point.

The papal power, the man of sin which thought to change times and laws, that had presented a rival sabbath to the world to be worshiped, the apostate power who sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God, the power that drank the blood of the saints is united with the Protestant churches, having two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon; the deceptions of spiritualism which have perpetuated Satans lie uttered in Eden, Thou shalt not surely die [Genesis 3:4]all these are bound up in bundles, a corrupt harmony under a corrupt leader. The blessing is pronounced by this false christ upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, [the people] who have received the mark of the beast and the mark of the image of the beast.

cry Notice that they are bound up in bundles already for the fire.

aww the very elect that she describes here are the 144k the remnant that has remained faithful and true.