Dr Timothy Jennings - Psychology Mixed with (Wronge?) Theology

Date: May 19, 2015

Dr Timothy Jennings - Psychology Mixed with (Wronge?) Theology

Date: May 19, 2015

The only one to go to is the one you can be sure truly loves you, Jesus Christ and when we need a "head" adjustment apply at His office, that is on ones knees.

I would let him rattle on. Timothy R. Jennings, M.D., DFAPA, has been in private practice since 1997 as a Christian psychiatrist and certified master psychopharmacologist.

I think someone may think you are crazy because of your "straight testimony" they can't come to and that they think you should see this shrink.

My wife went to a shrink when she fell into depression and it did her far more harm than good and she realized this yrs. later. She has passed on now and could have still been with me but she was killed by so many drugs her kidneys failed, kidney failure killed her. The so called health care system today is becoming more and more a drug pushing profession.

I am still here as I stay off of drugs and do herbals for my medicine.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Date: May 21, 2015

Tim J. promotes that God does not kill..... theory. There are many of our faith that are now believing this lie. They also say some strange things about Christ not being the propitiation for our sins which goes against the bible and sop.

I asked this group a question once.... So, who kills off Satan in the end? They reply, it is evil men that will kill Satan. I said, so why don't they do it now? Silence. Who killed all those in the flood? Sodom & Gomorrah? Who killed Ananias and Saphira? When God says He does something He does it. Other things that happen in this world, sometimes God allows it and He uses others to do it and sometimes it is Satan that is responsible. When bad things happen to Godly people, God's hand is directing the ways and keeps a hold on Satan to only go so far... just like He did with Job.

While it is true that God is Love, He is also a God of Mercy and Justice for the Righteous. He will protect His universe from sin and this planet and the god of this planet.

God Bless you Gibs for staying away from pharmacia. God be with you during this time.

Date: May 21, 2015

Thank you NB,

I wonder too how they get that reasoning from reading these scriptures,

De 32:39 ¶ See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
De 32:40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
De 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
De 32:42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
De 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Date: May 21, 2015

Thank you for all your responses. Greatly appreciated.

Date: May 22, 2015

Shireen wrote:
Thank you for all your responses. Greatly appreciated.

You are welcome. We have to be careful of these times right now where all kinds of deceptions are coming in and many are being led astray.

God bless all.

Date: May 23, 2015

Again I wrote a long post, and again it disappeared, this time when my computer died with the blue screen....

Anyway, I've known about this "God doesn't kill" doctrine since i was fresh out of college. I think Mike Clute was a popular SDA proponent of it then. Then Fred Wright got into it, and even split off from the SDA church, taking around 2000 people with him. I've reviewed his "Behold Your God" book here if interested: http://great-controversy-movie.com/blog/?p=249

There was a group called "Sanctuary Truth" who used to have a forum promoting this. They basically kicked me off their forum when I pointed out that all the saints will say "Amen" when God burns up all the wicked at the end.

This psychiatrist, Timothy Jennings, seems to be the latest iteration of this error of Satan. It is interesting that each time this error comes around (seems to me to be in 10-year or so cycles), it gets more and more sophisticated. Mike Clute was just: "God doesn't kill". Fred Wright was: "bad things happen because God leaves for a while". Heavenly Sanctuary was like: "God is love, and when we aren't connected with that love, we naturally perish". Timothy Jennings: "God has many steps to bring us to his highest level of love and we can choose to go along with him, or not". So it gets more and more difficult to distinguish truth from error.

I believe that one big reason these people go off into error, is that they see the 6th commandment says "Thou shall not kill", and see that God not only commands the Israelites to kill at times, but God actually kills millions himself. So to try and find consistency in that kind of God, they do away with his punishment side, and say he is all love. Actually, Jesus explained the correct wording for the commandment when he said: "...Thou shalt do no murder..." Matthew 19:18.

Timothy Jennings was a member of the Collegedale SDA Campus church (Southern Adventist University in Tennessee USA) and had a Sabbath School class. It grew quite large, but was forced out of the church due to concerns about doctrine. They went to a local community center, and have their own church there now. Pastor John Nixon of the Collegedale church gave a sermon titled "The Wrath of the Lamb" which was a warning about this insidious doctrine. He actually passed out twice in giving the sermon, which caused quite a stir, as you might imagine.

BEWARE! There are many wolves in sheep's clothing, and this doctrine of "God doesn't kill", based entirely on the satanic lie of "Unconditional Love" is destroying many.

Date: May 23, 2015

God must do away with sin and those who will not come out of it and for sure this is a strange act of love but He would not be love if He allowed it to continue and did not consume it.

Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Isa 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Isa 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
Isa 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
Isa 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
Isa 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
Isa 28:23 ¶ Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Date: May 26, 2015

webmaster wrote:
Again I wrote a long post, and again it disappeared, this time when my computer died with the blue screen....
Anyway, I've known about this "God doesn't kill" doctrine since i was fresh out of college. I think Mike Clute was a popular SDA proponent of it then. Then Fred Wright got into it, and even split off from the SDA church, taking around 2000 people with him. I've reviewed his "Behold Your God" book here if interested: http://great-controversy-movie.com/blog/?p=249
There was a group called "Sanctuary Truth" who used to have a forum promoting this. They basically kicked me off their forum when I pointed out that all the saints will say "Amen" when God burns up all the wicked at the end.
This psychiatrist, Timothy Jennings, seems to be the latest iteration of this error of Satan. It is interesting that each time this error comes around (seems to me to be in 10-year or so cycles), it gets more and more sophisticated. Mike Clute was just: "God doesn't kill". Fred Wright was: "bad things happen because God leaves for a while". Heavenly Sanctuary was like: "God is love, and when we aren't connected with that love, we naturally perish". Timothy Jennings: "God has many steps to bring us to his highest level of love and we can choose to go along with him, or not". So it gets more and more difficult to distinguish truth from error.
I believe that one big reason these people go off into error, is that they see the 6th commandment says "Thou shall not kill", and see that God not only commands the Israelites to kill at times, but God actually kills millions himself. So to try and find consistency in that kind of God, they do away with his punishment side, and say he is all love. Actually, Jesus explained the correct wording for the commandment when he said: "...Thou shalt do no murder..." Matthew 19:18.
Timothy Jennings was a member of the Collegedale SDA Campus church (Southern Adventist University in Tennessee USA) and had a Sabbath School class. It grew quite large, but was forced out of the church due to concerns about doctrine. They went to a local community center, and have their own church there now. Pastor John Nixon of the Collegedale church gave a sermon titled "The Wrath of the Lamb" which was a warning about this insidious doctrine. He actually passed out twice in giving the sermon, which caused quite a stir, as you might imagine.
BEWARE! There are many wolves in sheep's clothing, and this doctrine of "God doesn't kill", based entirely on the satanic lie of "Unconditional Love" is destroying many.

I agree with you webmaster that each time false doctrine comes around it takes on a different twist to catch more in the snare of Satan!!

This one unfortunately is taking over many churches and many of our famous people that are spreading it to thousands.

Date: Dec 24, 2016

all the saints will say "Amen" when God burns up all the wicked at the end.

Bible reference please

Date: Dec 25, 2016

But Satan and his angels suffered long. Satan not only bore the weight and punishment of his sins, but the sins of all the redeemed host had been placed upon him; and he must also suffer for the ruin of the souls which he had caused. Then I saw that Satan, and all the wicked host, were consumed, and the justice of God was satisfied; and all the angelic host, and all the redeemed saints, with a loud voice said, Amen! 1858 Great Controversy by Ellen White, chapter 41 *The Second Death*.

The entire 41st chapter is here: http://www.earlysda.com/gc/gc_chap41.html

Date: Dec 22, 2017

All need to know the truth for him selve

we condemn and by this we know the love of God is not in them

57. Ellen White's Theology of Redemption

Comments on 2 Corinthians 3 --The greatest difficulties Paul had to meet arose from the influence of Judaizing teachers. These had made much trouble and caused dissensions at Corinth. Paul is writing to the church in order to settle their minds in reference to the gospel of Christ. The Judaizing teachers were continually presenting the virtues of the law and the ceremonies, exalting these above the gospel of Christ, and bringing Paul under condemnation because he did not urge upon the people the ceremonies that typified Christ and were therefore of no value since Christ's death.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
We don't speak about these things using teachings that are based on intellectual arguments like people do. Instead, we use the Spirit's teachings. We explain spiritual things to those who have the Spirit.

while we are justified freely by grace through Christ, since he now abides in us, and he is the manifestation of that perfect law this causes us to uphold, or, make stand, the law. For if Christ lives in us, his life of righteousness, or, obedience to the law, will be made

manifest in our mortal flesh. -2 Corinthians 4:10-11.

Date: Dec 30, 2017

When teachers teach error, and we are silent, we too will be cut down by God, because we did not warn others of their danger.

"Christian", do you see the danger in Jennings' teachings? If you do, what are you doing about it to warn others?

Date: Apr 16, 2019

Dr. Jennings is spot on. God places folks in suspended animation-He puts them to sleep. Isn't that what Jesus said about Lazarus and the little girl that He revived. James says the wages of sin is Death,not God. Death happens to folks when they are not in a relationship with Jesus,because Jesus,God and the Holy Spirit create and sustain life. Folks who refuse to accept Jesus's remedy and have their character healed will experience death when they face Jesus because they don't want to be with him. Dr. Jennings is speaking the truth about God's character and His method of governance. It is Satan who threatens,bullies,manipulates and uses coercion. God does not do that. Jesus said if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father. You are not interested in sinners being healed. You are interested in their destruction. Truth can be delayed but it will never be denied.

Date: Apr 25, 2019

God will burn up all the wicked in the Lake of Fire.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 19:20-21

Then he will recreate this earth, and the wicked will be ashes forever.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:1

God DOES kill, and Jennings is misrepresenting God by claiming that he doesn't not kill.

Date: Oct 1, 2022

Thanks Webmaster. Tim Jenning's teaching has surfaced at my church in Australia and I am starting to look into it to see where it is wrong.

Clearly there are so many Bible references that show God takes initiative in dealing with unrepentant sinful people, I don't know how folk who accept Tim's teachings rationalise these passages. It smacks of "deconstructing" scripture that emerging church people are doing.

Is it assurance Tim's adherents want? Not sure.

I'd love to learn more about Tim's background, but can find little online except his professional bio. I'd also like to hear or read a copy of that sermon of the Pr at his church who passed out. That would be very useful. Any guidance to find that would be great.

Date: Oct 1, 2022

Glad that some of the things we wrote so long ago are still useful to souls reaching out for truth.

Date: Oct 2, 2022

Anonymous_Australia wrote:
I'd love to learn more about Tim's background, but can find little online except his professional bio. I'd also like to hear or read a copy of that sermon of the Pr at his church who passed out. That would be very useful. Any guidance to find that would be great.

It's possible to find a basic description of this event online, but I'm not aware that the text of the sermon is available online.

I believe that the event occurred in the spring of 2010, more than a dozen years ago, and I can't say whether the basic description that's available is a trustworthy one.

If it was me, I think I'd focus on learning as much as I can from the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy re the issue at hand (does God kill?).

I personally have found it very fruitful when studying to try to make the study as tangible as possible, and this typically involves capturing inspired information onto my desktop PC, so that I can refer to it in the future.

In the case at hand, I'd start by asking myself what Bible and SOP material I know about that seems to tie down the issue in a tangible way, and I'd capture that material in writing.

Date: Oct 2, 2022

Great advice R!!

Boy I sure do miss Gibs. He died in 2015. He messaged me on a Sunday that he didnt have much longer to live. He died on the Monday. Had his mind sharp though right up to the end. Hope to see him again when Jesus comes back to take us to heaven.

Date: Oct 3, 2022

Thanks refulgent. Good advice. I am in the process of studying it for myself as you suggest. I just don't understand his "design" law thing.

My study so far is giving me some good insights. I pray it will stand me in good stead. I am hoping to encourage a friend of mine to view TJ's material more cautiously, instead of swallowing it hook, line and sinker!

Yes, the comments here so long ago have been very helpful! Praise God for your efforts in keeping this conversation alive.

Date: Oct 5, 2022

Dr Tim Jennings:

He was an active member (and often-heard voice from the audience) of Dr. Graham Maxwell's Sabbath School classes, which I listened to faithfully each week in the '90s.

He was living in Loma Linda (or Redlands) at that time. He later moved to Chattanooga, TN where he now lives and where he is a well-regarded psychiatrist in medical practice there.

Date: Oct 5, 2022

When Tim branched off with his own Sabbath School lessons I continued to listen for about 15 years. He made some good points but I tired of him pushing his theories often and off topic.

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Glad to be of help, Anonymous - Australia. smile I haven't heard of this "design law" thing. If you have studied it could you give a summary?

I haven't heard anything about Tim Jennings in a long time.

OK, I just looked on the net now and see he has a huge new center for his ministry. But sadly, he is still pushing the same anti-biblical tune. This is from an article in 2019: "But when we present God as functioning no differently than a human dictator, passing laws that require Him to inflict punishment, then we become like that false god;"

That is totally contrary to the Bible.

Personally, I've met and had contact with quite a number of people who have misunderstood the 6th Commandment. They think it says: "You shall not kill". If that is true, then God doesn't keep his own laws, so we have to find some way out of the logical predicament. But Jesus made the correct meaning clear when the man told him: "You shall not murder". The difference between the two is large. God never murders anyone, and never tells his followers to murder anyone either. But he does kill, and has often told his followers to kill others. That is Bible fact, and trying to spin it to mean that God does not punish sinners is just another in a long list of lies that Satan and his angels have come up with to get God's people off the narrow path.

Date: Oct 7, 2022

Nb wrote:
Dr Tim Jennings:
He was an active member (and often-heard voice from the audience) of Dr. Graham Maxwell's Sabbath School classes, which I listened to faithfully each week in the '90s.
He was living in Loma Linda (or Redlands) at that time. He later moved to Chattanooga, TN where he now lives and where he is a well-regarded psychiatrist in medical practice there.

I grew up in the Loma Linda area, and had friends and relatives who were affected by Dr. Maxwell's Sabbath School class.

It seems to me that one of the key points here is that we need to take personal responsibility for "owning" our spiritual walk with the Lord, rather than allowing Elder X to do our study and thinking for us.

We need to operate on the basis of our own study and convictions, rather than those of another person.

Below are a couple of quotes that develop this point.

(1)

As Christ lived the law in humanity, so we may do if we will take hold of the Strong for strength. But we are not to place the responsibility of our duty upon others, and wait for them to tell us what to do. We cannot depend for counsel upon humanity. The Lord will teach us our duty just as willingly as He will teach somebody else. If we come to Him in faith, He will speak His mysteries to us personally. Our hearts will often burn within us as One draws nigh to commune with us as He did with Enoch. {DA 668.4}

(2)

In order to make full proof of their ministry, those who open the word of God to others should search the Scriptures diligently. They should not be content to use other men's thoughts, but should dig for truth as for hid treasures. While it is perfectly right to gather ideas from other minds, they should not be satisfied to take those ideas and repeat them in a poll-parrot manner. Make these ideas your own, brethren; frame the arguments yourselves, from your own study and research. Do not borrow the productions of other men's brains and pens, and recite them as a lesson; but make the most of the talents, the brain power, that God has given you. {RH, April 6, 1886 par. 8}

Date: Oct 7, 2022

Amen

Date: Dec 4, 2022

Nb wrote:
Great advice R!!

Boy I sure do miss Gibs. He died in 2015. He messaged me on a Sunday that he didnt have much longer to live. He died on the Monday. Had his mind sharp though right up to the end. Hope to see him again when Jesus comes back to take us to heaven.

I miss Gibs too. Fortunately we still have you and webmaster / EarlySDA and refulgent. God bless you all.

Date: Dec 4, 2022

That was my post above. I forgot to put my name.

I am very grateful for this active board.

Date: Dec 5, 2022

Shireen wrote:
That was my post above. I forgot to put my name.
I am very grateful for this active board.

We are grateful too. Thank you.

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I definitely appreciate nb, refulgent, and Shireen too! smile

May God bless you and keep you in good health, all the way to the kingdom above.

Date: Dec 30, 2022

I just noticed your reply EarlySDA. Sorry for delay in responding.

I am still looking into TJs "design law" notion, and I don't really understand it. When I get a better handle on it, I'd be happy to share in more detail if relevant.

So far I have the concept TJ says the law of love is the basis of our design and how we were to operate. Sin messed that up, and man has replaced it with a legal / penal system of law that man says (or implies) is God's operational law for us i.e. you break My law and sin (legal) and I will punish you (penal). It aligns with what you quoted from a 2019 article. Somehow TJ has misstated the legal/penal system - it almost seems as though he has used a Roman Catholic system and asserts that is how everyone sees it, including the Bible. For believers who grew up in families that were dysfunctional with a punitive relationship model, the "God doesn't punish" concept is appealing, but is a false view of His character.

More to come once I understand TJ's stuff better. I have done some word study searches in Scripture ("punish", "wrath", "justice", etc) and it is clear God deals with unrepentant sinful human beings at some point directly and punitively, but in a spirit of love and the best good for them as well as the rest of the universe. It strengthens my admiration for God to see His patience and forbearance, while ultimately giving unrepentant sinners what they choose - escape from His presence.

More study to do.