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This is 3 videos that need be reckoned with.  These are you tube videos and each one after the first is slightly longer but not beyond what our attention span should be.

Another Bro. on another forum come up with and am passing along here,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuM6awautNs 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Yf0MtcLl0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enM4v94AtOk 

In the days of the apostle Paul, the Thessalonian brethren were laboring under the erroneous impression that the Lord would return in their day, and Paul wrote to correct this false impression, stating what events must transpire before the advent could take place. He declared: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."  {7BC 910.1}

 
     The man of sin was to arise, and do his work of exaltation and blasphemy, before the brethren could look for the coming of Christ. That great event was to be preceded by a falling away. There would be revealed a form of Antichrist, and the leaven of apostasy was to work with increasing power to the end of time." (RH July 31, 1888).  {7BC 910.2}

 

 



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I must warn everyone NOT to go watch these 3 videos on youtube!  They are put out by World's Last Chance which is an offshoot SDA organization which has predicted that Pope John Paul II would be resurrected to be the last pope, and have been teaching people for several years now that the 7th day is not the Sabbath, but that the moon phases determine the Sabbath (Lunar Sabbath).

In just the first 2 minutes of the first video I saw where they are setting up the argument that Ellen White is not infallible, so she may be in error sometimes.

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I do not believe EGW come close to claiming to be infallible.  I believe she believed only His Word to be the sole infallible Word to us.

"I wish that self should be hid in Jesus. I wish self to be crucified. I do not claim infallibility, or even perfection of Christian character. I am not free from mistakes and  errors in my life. Had I followed my Saviour more closely, I should not have to mourn so much my unlikeness to His dear image." {DG 272.6}

I watched the videos and I find that they are pointing out the truth which we must deal with.

Is or is not the corporation seventh day Adventist church structure of today in serious apostasy.  Unless we can go along with emerging church and spiritual exercises of Ignatius Loyola with an Adventist wrap and far more.

I have to step out of this structure of men and step into His True one.  His "Eklesia", the gates of hell have not and will not prevail against as He states,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Yes the Papacy fell off in apostasy and really no reform structures need ever have been built of men, all any need have done is come and be in His Church. It had no name, but "Eklesia" in Greek and was simply stated of where it was at, "the church at Ephesus" or "the church at Corinth."  You see there is no other Church and only Christ can build His Church.  No man can build God His Church!  He alone can and is only Builder!

 

Church above, Mt 16:18 is, ekklesia ek-klay-see'-ah

 

from a compound of 1537 and a derivative of 2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.

EGW lays it out,

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.  {UL 315.5} 


     Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. . . .  {UL 315.6} 


     They that will be doers of the word are building securely, and the tempest and storm of persecution will not shake their foundation, because their souls are rooted to the eternal Rock.--Letter 108, Oct. 28, 1886, to her older sister and her husband who had not accepted the Sabbath truth.  {UL 315.7}

No, corporation SDA's don't like that testimony of Sister White, she told her sister the flat out truth of the matter!

The book that matters of whether your name is written in is in Heaven.

This old soldier is no longer a member of the SDA structure that has become the structure of men in now deep apostasy!

Of great importance if you still go to the meetings make sure this is taught,  of which now for over 25 yrs. has not been taught here, instead, none can keep from his sins.  Had one pastor even pray "Lord save us in our sin as no man can overcome it!"

EGW,

"We have no hesitancy in telling you that in order to obtain the immortal inheritance and the eternal substance, you must be overcomers in this probationary life. Everything that blots and stains the soul must be removed, must be cleansed from the heart. We must know what it means to be a partaker of the divine nature, having escaped the corruptions that are in the world through lust. Are you willing to wage war against the lusts of the flesh? Are you ready to battle against the enemy of God and man? Satan is determined to enslave every soul if he can; for he is playing a desperate game to win the souls of men from Christ and eternal life. Will you permit him to steal from you the graces of the Spirit of God, and plant in you his own corrupt nature? or will you accept the great provision of salvation, and through the merits of the Infinite Sacrifice made in your behalf, become a partaker of the divine nature? God has given His only-begotten Son, that through His shame, suffering, and death, you might have glory, honor, and immortality.--Signs of the Times, June 15, 1891.  {TDG 175.2} 

The falling away we are concerned with the most is at this time,  happening now and the lions share are not close to seeing it!  SDA's it is wake up time, listen to your God and have His Spirit of Truth Guide you into  ALL Truth!

The one and only Infallible Teacher, available 24 hrs. a day the years around till the consummation!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

See Greek 1537
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Yes Dear Folks the falling away that is of concern at this last time is what is occurring now.  There never was a time that Christianity has been so far off track. 

It isn't His Church, "Eklesia" that the gates of hell are prevailing against, it is the structures built of men claiming each to be His church.  Men head them up, men organize in them, men ordain any that have gone through their corrupt schools.

Of His Church, only He is it's Head, only He is it's Organizer and only He Ordains and sends forth His teachers, ministers and know this, the 144,000 are termed "the Servants of our God".  Of these He is very proud.

Re 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

These will give the last message to the world and His Church, which is His True few people, left on this earth!

The 144,000 are about 1 in 50,000 of the population of this world!  Quite a number to reach to herald the last call to!

Will His People, His Church be an extreme few at the very end of which we can be sure is extremely close now?  Yes!, Yes!

Lu17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Eight were saved from that time!  Will the percentage be greater this time?  I doubt seriously.

How much do we truly understand from His Word for ourselves of what we have allowed ourselves to believe?  Too much we have settled to hold to what we have been taught of others and not seeing it in surety from His Word to us.

Do we have His Spirit of Truth?  All who do will see alike and be in Unity and Harmony among us and with with God.

Will not this be a very scattered people among the peoples of the world?  That is a certainty.

1Jo 5:14 ¶ And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jo 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him

 

 



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My statements stand - World's Last Chance, the creator of the videos, is in deep error.  They say Ellen White never claimed to be "infallible" which is true, but then turn that to mean that she could be mistaken in her published writings, which is not true.  The main example is that Ellen White makes it extremely clear that the 7 day cycle has come to us unbroken from the time of Creation.  But WLC says that the Sabbath we are supposed to keep is the Lunar Sabbath, which is the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of each month - pure rubbish that strikes directly at the 4th Commandment.

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I agree they are in error of all they teach.  Lunar Sabbath, I've fought that doctrine and they don't give.  There is times that there is more than 7 days to their next Sabbath! 

I would like to state and be true that all that I expound is without error.  EGW I don't think made that claim either.

 Investigation of Doctrine.--There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation.  {CW 35.2}

 
     We are living in perilous times, and it does not become us to accept everything claimed to be truth without examining it thoroughly; neither can we afford to reject anything that bears the fruits of the Spirit of God; but we should be teachable, meek and lowly of heart. There are those who oppose everything that is not in accordance with their own ideas, and by so doing they endanger their eternal interest as verily as did the Jewish nation in their rejection of Christ.  {CW 35.3} 

We grow and learn and unlearn and the unlearn is sometimes the sticky one.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 



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If EGW was in so much error - why does Scripture give her the endtime place in getting ready for Jesus on Jesus's terms.

Malachi 4:

4 ¶  Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5  Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

 

6  And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

 

Revelation 19:10  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

 

1 Corinthians 1:

6  Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7  So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8  Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9  God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

10 ¶  Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Revelation 12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

If EGW was so much in error why was she spot on in telling these future events

(1.) January 31, 1893 Remarks at Parkville, Michigan

 

     JAN. 12, 1861, JUST THREE MONTHS TO A DAY BEFORE THE FIRST GUN WAS FIRED ON FORT SUMPTER, THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST MEETING-HOUSE IN PARKVILLE, MICH., WAS DEDICATED. AT THE CLOSE OF A DISCOURSE BY ELDER WHITE, SISTER WHITE GAVE A STIRRING EXHORTATION, AFTER WHICH SHE TOOK HER SEAT IN A CHAIR. IN THIS POSITION SHE WAS TAKEN OFF IN VISION. THE HOUSE WAS CROWDED WITH PEOPLE, AND IT WAS A MOST SOLEMN PLACE TO BE IN. AFTER COMING OUT OF THE VISION, SHE AROSE, AND LOOKING ABOUT THE HOUSE SHE SAID:--  {GCDB, January 31, 1893 par. 1}  

     "There is not a person in this house who has even dreamed of the trouble that is coming upon this land. People are making sport of the secession ordinance of South Carolina, but I have just been shown that a large number of States are going to join that State, and there will be a most terrible war. In this vision I have seen large armies of both sides gathered on the field of battle. I heard the booming of the cannon, and saw the dead and dying on every hand. Then I saw them rushing up engaged in hand-to-hand fighting [bayoneting one another]. Then I saw the field after the battle, all covered with the dead and dying. Then I was carried to prison, and saw the suffering of those in want, who were wasting away. Then I was taken to the homes of those who had lost husbands, sons, or brothers in the war. I saw there distress and anguish."  {GCDB, January 31, 1893 par. 2} 

     Then looking slowly around the house she said:--  {GCDB, January 31, 1893 par. 3}  

     "There are those in this house who will lose sons in that war."  {GCDB, January 31, 1893 par. 4}

 

 



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(2.)   We are living in the time of the end. The fast-fulfilling signs of the times declare that the coming of Christ is near at hand. The days in which we live are solemn and important. The Spirit of God is gradually but surely being withdrawn from the earth. Plagues and judgments are already falling upon the despisers of the grace of God. The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude.  {9T 11.1} 

     The agencies of evil are combining their forces and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones.  {9T 11.2}  

     The condition of things in the world shows that troublous times are right upon us. The daily papers are full of indications of a terrible conflict in the near future. Bold robberies are of frequent occurrence. Strikes are common. Thefts and murders are committed on every hand. Men possessed of demons are taking the lives of men, women, and little children. Men have become infatuated with vice, and every species of evil prevails.  {9T 11.3}  

     The enemy has succeeded in perverting justice and in filling men's hearts with the desire for selfish gain. 

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"Justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter." Isaiah 59:14. In the great cities there are multitudes living in poverty and wretchedness, well-nigh destitute of food, shelter, and clothing; while in the same cities are those who have more than heart could wish, who live luxuriously, spending their money on richly furnished houses, on personal adornment, or worse still, upon the gratification of sensual appetites, upon liquor, tobacco, and other things that destroy the powers of the brain, unbalance the mind, and debase the soul. The cries of starving humanity are coming up before God, while by every species of oppression and extortion men are piling up colossal fortunes.  {9T 11.4}  

     On one occasion, when in New York City, I was in the night season called upon to behold buildings rising story after story toward heaven. These buildings were warranted to be fireproof, and they were erected to glorify their owners and builders. Higher and still higher these buildings rose, and in them the most costly material was used. Those to whom these buildings belonged were not asking themselves: "How can we best glorify God?" The Lord was not in their thoughts.  {9T 12.1}  

     I thought: "Oh, that those who are thus investing their means could see their course as God sees it! They are piling up magnificent buildings, but how foolish in the sight of the Ruler of the universe is their planning and devising. They are not studying with all the powers of heart and mind how they may glorify God. They have lost sight of this, the first duty of man."  {9T 12.2}  

     As these lofty buildings went up, the owners rejoiced with ambitious pride that they had money to use in gratifying self and provoking the envy of their neighbors. Much of the money that they thus invested had 

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been obtained through exaction, through grinding down the poor. They forgot that in heaven an account of every business transaction is kept; every unjust deal, every fraudulent act, is there recorded. The time is coming when in their fraud and insolence men will reach a point that the Lord will not permit them to pass, and they will learn that there is a limit to the forbearance of Jehovah.  {9T 12.3}  

     The scene that next passed before me was an alarm of fire. Men looked at the lofty and supposedly fire-proof buildings and said: "They are perfectly safe." But these buildings were consumed as if made of pitch. The fire engines could do nothing to stay the destruction. The firemen were unable to operate the engines.  {9T 13.1}  

     I am instructed that when the Lord's time comes, should no change have taken place in the hearts of proud, ambitious human beings, men will find that the hand that had been strong to save will be strong to destroy. No earthly power can stay the hand of God. No material can be used in the erection of buildings that will preserve them from destruction when God's appointed time comes to send retribution on men for their disregard of His law and for their selfish ambition.  {9T 13.2}  

     There are not many, even among educators and statesmen, who comprehend the causes that underlie the present state of society. Those who hold the reins of government are not able to solve the problem of moral corruption, poverty, pauperism, and increasing crime. They are struggling in vain to place business operations on a more secure basis. If men would give more heed to the teaching of God's word, they would find a solution of the problems that perplex them.  {9T 13.3}  

     The Scriptures describe the condition of the world just before Christ's second coming. Of the men who 

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by robbery and extortion are amassing great riches, it is written: "Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the laborers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you." James 5:3-6.  {9T 13.4}  

     But who reads the warnings given by the fast-fulfilling signs of the times? What impression is made upon worldlings? What change is seen in their attitude? No more than was seen in the attitude of the inhabitants of the Noachian world. Absorbed in worldly business and pleasure, the antediluvians "knew not until the Flood came, and took them all away." Matthew 24:39. They had heaven-sent warnings, but they refused to listen. And today the world, utterly regardless of the warning voice of God, is hurrying on to eternal ruin.  {9T 14.1}  

     The world is stirred with the spirit of war. The prophecy of the eleventh chapter of Daniel has nearly reached its complete fulfillment. Soon the scenes of trouble spoken of in the prophecies will take place.  {9T 14.2}  

     "Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. . . . Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate. . . . The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth." Isaiah 24:1-8. 

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 {9T 14.3}  

     "Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come. . . . The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down, for the corn is withered. How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate." "The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegranate tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, even all the trees of the field, are withered: because joy is withered away from the sons of men." Joel 1:15-18, 12.  {9T 15.1}  

     "I am pained at my very heart; . . . I cannot hold my peace, because thou has heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war. Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled." Jeremiah 4:19, 20.  {9T 15.2}  

     "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down." Verses 23-26.  {9T 15.3} 

     "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it." Jeremiah 30:7.  {9T 15.4}  

     Not all in this world have taken sides with the enemy against God. Not all have become disloyal. There are a faithful few who are true to God; for John writes: "Here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 14:12. Soon the battle will be waged fiercely between those who serve God and those who serve Him not. Soon everything that can be shaken will be shaken, 

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that those things that cannot be shaken may remain.  {9T 15.5}  

     Satan is a diligent Bible student. He knows that his time is short, and he seeks at every point to counterwork the work of the Lord upon this earth. It is impossible to give any idea of the experience of the people of God who shall be alive upon the earth when celestial glory and a repetition of the persecutions of the past are blended. They will walk in the light proceeding from the throne of God. By means of the angels there will be constant communication between heaven and earth. And Satan, surrounded by evil angels, and claiming to be God, will work miracles of all kinds, to deceive, if possible, the very elect. God's people will not find their safety in working miracles, for Satan will counterfeit the miracles that will be wrought. God's tried and tested people will find their power in the sign spoken of in Exodus 31:12-18. They are to take their stand on the living word: "It is written." This is the only foundation upon which they can stand securely. Those who have broken their covenant with God will in that day be without God and without hope.  {9T 16.1}  

     The worshipers of God will be especially distinguished by their regard for the fourth commandment, since this is the sign of God's creative power and the witness to His claim upon man's reverence and homage. The wicked will be distinguished by their efforts to tear down the Creator's memorial and to exalt the institution of Rome. In the issue of the conflict all Christendom will be divided into two great classes, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and those who worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark. Although church and state will unite their power to compel all, "both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond," to receive 

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the mark of the beast, yet the people of God will not receive it. Revelation 13:16. The prophet of Patmos beholds "them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God," and singing the song of Moses and the Lamb. Revelation 15:2.  {9T 16.2}  

     Fearful tests and trials await the people of God. The spirit of war is stirring the nations from one end of the earth to the other. But in the midst of the time of trouble that is coming,--a time of trouble such as has not been since there was a nation,--God's chosen people will stand unmoved. Satan and his host cannot destroy them, for angels that excel in strength will protect them. {9T 17.1}    

God's word to His people is: "Come out from among them, and be ye separate, . . . and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters." "Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light." 2 Corinthians 6:17, 18; 1 Peter 2:9. God's people are to be distinguished as a people who serve Him fully, wholeheartedly, taking no honor to themselves, and remembering that by a most solemn covenant they have bound themselves to serve the Lord and Him only.  {9T 17.2} 

     "The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed." Exodus 31:12-17.  {9T 17.3}  

     Do not these words point us out as God's denominated people? and do they not declare to us that so long as time shall last, we are to cherish the sacred, denominational distinction placed upon us? The children of Israel were to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations "for a perpetual covenant." The Sabbath has lost none of its meaning. It is still the sign between God and His people, and it will be so forever. 

 

 

                                                 (19)  {9T 18.1} 

 

Jesus raised up the amazon river chief, the eskimo prophet, the little bushman, and EGW - as His messengers, in different parts of Earth - and put His messages in them, are you saying Jesus did it wrong ?



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The world watched #2. 9T occurring on TV during 9/11; Ebola is ravaging East Africa and threatening the world with it's potential to spread by one jet flight through one human or animal carrier, how much more fulfillment do you seek ?

You need to return to faith in the Bible and the gift of prophecy from Jesus you will get back straight on.

Go to the thread with PDF, MP3, Video- Lessons on Faith look listen read drink deeply.



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