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The Truth About 666 
and the Story of the Great Apostasy

Three Volumes in One

by

Edwin de Kock

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Synopsis

    Ranging over the entire Christian era, The Truth About 666 is a penetrating 874-page book in three volumes for both scholars and lay people concerned about past, present, and future events. This is the most comprehensive work on prophecy and history ever produced by a Seventh-day Adventist, with the assistance of excellent researchers and scholars. About the earliest Christian centuries, it agrees with and defends Ellen G. Whites Great Controversy as well as Uriah Smiths Daniel and the Revelation, but it adds much that neither of them dealt with. 
    For instance, the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths were not really Arians but ancient Sabbathkeepers, who stood in the way of papal supremacy. Therefore, they had to be eliminated. The popes were supported by the kings and emperors of Europe in persecuting those who opposed the Roman Church, yet for centuries they also struggled to dominate them.
    With amazing new discoveries in Latin as well as five other languages, this book vindicates Uriah Smiths conclusion that the 666 in Rev. 13:18 really refers to vicarius Filii Dei (the vicar of the Son of God). This title first appeared during 753 in a document known as the Donation of Constantine, which was forged by the papacy to claim ecclesiastic supremacy as well as secular domination. The narrative of The Truth About 666 is enlivened by many fascinating episodes. For instance, it shows that the people of Brazil, the largest country in Latin America, speak Portuguese, while the others speak Spanish, due to a papal decision based on that fraudulent manuscript. 
    This book is a storehouse of brand-new discoveries. One of its treasures is an Appendix with material quoted from more than eighty non-Seventh-day Adventist writers, mostly Protestants who lived and labored before Uriah Smith. They testified to the fact that vicarius Filii Dei was indeed a papal title. Most of them also showed that it had a number value of 666.
    Very many Catholic writers also bore witness to the fact that the popes have for more than a thousand years been called the vicars of the Son of God, in Latin as well as the other leading languages of Western Europe. 
    In its third volume, this book discusses the problem of some Seventh-day Adventist scholars who now say that 666 does not refer to the pope but only means human sinfulness or imperfection. Some of them also claim that the number, the name, and the mark of the Beast are one and the same thing. By implication, there will therefore be no Sunday laws, nor will America cooperate with the papacy in its pursuit of world domination. Such ideas undermine the third angels message, suggesting that Seventh-day Adventists are not really the Remnant Church of prophecy. As The Truth About 666 demonstrates, these Seventh-day Adventist scholars have most unfortunately been influenced by writers from outside their church: Sundaykeepers, Protestants and Catholics, as well as others, including Spiritualists.

 

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It's not light reading, quite an informative book.  



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Not that I like to be different but the number 666 don't apply to the pope and I don't see that EGW thinks so either.

Not true and what do you think after reading  this of EGW.

 
"In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . .  {3SM 393.1} 


     "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame" (chap. 16:13-15). . . .  {3SM 393.2}

 
OK, you will notice she exactly posts the KJV version of Re 13:13-17 leaving off only verses 11,12 and 18.
 
Now here is Re 13:11-18 and see if you can leave off verses, 11,12 at the beginning and verse 18 at the end, I guarantee you cannot and so without a smidgen of doubt 666 is Satan's number!
 
Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Re 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Re 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

We have great need of not listening to men to such a great degree and listen to the one who will and does always give us the Truth, Jesus Christ.

Yes He must dwell in you by His Spirit, He is the Spirit of Truth and Paul tells us He alone is our Hope of Glory.

Hear Jesus first,

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Col 1:26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

The Great Teacher is available to us 100% of the time and we have no excuse to not know any Truth of His Word to us as He is with us 100% of the time guiding us.

He not only convicts of sin but of Truth also.  It does require we be absolute sticklers for the Truth and will not take up any others.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

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Gibs writes: "Not true and what do you think after reading  this of EGW."

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"Now here is Re 13:11-18 and see if you can leave off verses, 11,12 at the beginning and verse 18 at the end, I guarantee you cannot and so without a smidgen of doubt 666 is Satan's number!"

Could you please translate these two sentences for me?

 

 



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I will try, knowing this is not conventional thinking among SDA's but at the same time EGW made it clear to the people long ago her thesis of it.

I think the scripture  also makes it clear and first to clear this thought we read,

Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Notice it is the "dragon", Satan gives to the first beast of Re 13: his power and his seat and great authority. Now notice from verse one this beast has 7 heads and 10 horns same as he. So I submit his "image" beast.  Now we will notice that after the deadly wound to that ONE head is healed his first "image" beast is given power to continue 42 months, has to be literal time.

Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Notice Re 13:3, ONE head is wounded to death and then makes it clear that ALL the world wonders after the beast not just the ONE wounded head!  Note! this first beast has 7 heads and 10 horns,

Re 13:1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. ( much can be said of the name of blasphemy upon the heads)

Then it is put further together in these verses,

Re 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

That is a likeness of himself or copy and that is being done well is apparent and Satan is demanding all to make an image of his image beast, likeness and copy his image of him and so then him.
eikon i-kone'
from 1503; a likeness, i.e. (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance:--image.

See Greek 1503 eiko i'-ko

apparently a primary verb (perhaps akin to 1502 through the idea of faintness as a copy); to resemble:--be like.

The verses Re 13:11-18 cannot be broken, they cling together because of context and they are about our adversary Satan!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 



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First to make an amend to the above post of mine, I stated "her thesis of it", no her council of it is above a thesis.

And dear folks, God calls Satan a man,

Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created

Satan is soon now to stand up claiming to be Jesus Christ who truly is God as the Father dwells in Him in all fullness and will until all is under his feet.  Read 1 Cor 15:24-28, very profound read.

Satan will have committed the abomination of abominations!

Mr 13:14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:


1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.    ( The Spirit of Truth )



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There are many AN antichrists but there is but one who is THE antichrist.  THE antichrist is soon to come and for sure will personate Jesus Christ.

All others are AN antichrist after their father the devil.  We must be of the truth of which AN antichrist is not.  Satan is the father of these of whom there is no truth in them or of him their father,   Joh 8:44.

I should have posted these 4 profound verses in above post and will now as so much is realized of these,

( Speaking of Christ ) 

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Dear folks we see that all things are put in Jesus Christ's hands until all is righted and sin will be no more.

It, sin will not rise up no more for all eternity!  Na 1:9 ¶ What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.

Paradise is soon to be now for all the redeemed.

"And to all the faithful ones who were striving against evil, John heard the promises made: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God." "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels." "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne." Verse 7; 3:5, 21.  {AA 588.2}

There we read the big one, our name not blotted out of the book of life.  Oh there is where it, our name must remain and not blotted!



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Under folio views - words of the adventist pioneers the search "vicarius Filii Dei" =  46 hits -this is only one of them. Many corroborating hits are from official Catholic publications.

 (Part 1 of this copied section )

"Testimony of Eye-Witnesses

 

That the title, Vicarius Filii Dei, has been employed elsewhere than in Roman Catholic canon law is also asserted by Rev. B. Hoffman: {1943 CE, FAFA 227.1} 

"To Whom It May Concern:

"This is to certify that I was born in Bavaria in 1828, was educated in Munich, and was reared a Roman Catholic. In 1844 and 1845 1 was a student for the priesthood in the Jesuit College in Rome. {1943 CE, FAFA 227.2} 

"During the Easter service of 1845, Pope Gregory XVI wore a triple crown upon which was the inscription, in jewels, Vicarius Filii Dei. We were told that there were one hundred diamonds in the word Dei; the other words were of some other kind of precious stones of a darker color. There was one word upon each crown, and not all on the same line. I was present at the service, and saw the crown distinctly, and noted it carefully. {1943 CE, FAFA 227.3} 

"In 1850 I was converted to God and to Protestantism. Two years later I entered the Evangelical Church ministry, but later in life I united with the Presbyterian Church, of which I am now a retired pastor, having been in the ministry for fifty years. {1943 CE, FAFA 227.4} 

"I have made the above statement at the request of Elder D. E. Scoles, as he states that some deny that the pope ever wore this tiara. But I know that he did, for I saw it upon his head."

"Sincerely yours in Christian service,

(Signed) "B. Hoffman.

Webb City, Mo., Oct. 29, 1906."

 - "Review and Herald," Dec. 20, 1906. {1943 CE, FAFA 227.5} 

The author of this book has photostats of the papal passport held by Rev. B. Hoffman, and of a signed letter from him stating the same facts as are given in the above statement. His testimony is confirmed by that of M. De Latti and others. {1943 CE, FAFA 227.6} 

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Statement of M. De Latti to D. E. Scoles. - "M De Latti . . . had previously been a Catholic priest, and had spent four years in Rome. He visited me when I was pastor in St. Paul, Minn. . . . He stated that he had often seen it [the crown with this inscription] in the museum of the Vatican, and gave a detailed and accurate description of the whole crown. . . . {1943 CE, FAFA 228.1} 

"De Latti . . . said the first word of the sentence was on the first crown of the triple arrangement, the second word on the second part of the crown, while the word Dei was on the lower division of the triple crown. He also explained that the first two words were in dark-colored jewels, while the Dei was composed of diamonds entirely." - D. E. Scoles, in "Review and Herald," Dec. 20, 1906. {1943 CE, FAFA 228.2} 

Statement of Thomas Whitmore. - "'Some time ago, an English officer happening to be at Rome, observed on the front of the mitre which the pope wore at one of the solemnities, this inscription: "Vicarivs Filii Dei." It instantly struck him - perhaps this is "the number of the beast." He set to work: and when he had selected all the numerals, and added them up, he found, to his great astonishment, that the whole amounted to precisely six hundred and sixty-six. What stress is to be laid on this I cannot say. {1943 CE, FAFA 228.3} 

"'VicarivsFiliiDei

V5F0D500

I1I1E0

Cl00L50I1

A0I1____

R011501

I0___112

V55353

S0___

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"Thus it will be seen, that by taking from the title Vicarivs Filii Dei [Vicar of the Son of God], the letters which are commonly used as numerals, they make up the number of the

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beast." - "A Commentary on the Revelation, of St. John the Divine," p. 231. Boston: 1856. {1943 CE, FAFA 228.4} 

 



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Testimony of Dr. H. Grattan Guinness. - "An English officer of high rank, who in the year 1799, by a special favour, was given the opportunity, while in Rome, to get a close view of the Pope's jewels and precious things, discovered thereby, that the papal tiara bore this inscription: 'Vicarivs Filii Dei.' {1943 CE, FAFA 229.1} 

"When you take out the Latin letters, which have numeral value, and which still are used to represent numbers, and which are: V, I, C, L, and D, these letters form the number given below. In these Latin words there are two V's, which letter denotes 5, six I's denoting 1, one C, which denotes 100, one L, which denotes 50, and one D, which denotes 500, thus: V,V= 10; I,I,I,I,I,I = 6; C = 100; L = 50; and D = 500, the sum 666." - "Babylon and the Beast," p. 141; quoted in " Kyrkans Strid och Slutliga Seger," Professor S. F. Svensson, pp. 126, 128. Stockholm: 1908. {1943 CE, FAFA 229.2} 

 

Other Protestant Witnesses

 

Robert Fleming, V. D. M., wrote a book entitled "Apocalyptical. Key. An Extraordinary Discourse on the Rise and Fall of the Papacy." It was published in London, 1701, 1703, and 1929. In the 1929 edition, p. 48, we read that an "explication may be found in the title which the Roman pontiff has assumed, and which is inscribed over the door of the Vatican, 'Vicarius Filii Dei' (Vicar of the Son of God). In Roman computation this contains the number 666, as will be seen below. {1943 CE, FAFA 229.3} 

V5F0D500

I1I1E0

Cl00L50I1

A0I1

R01

I0

V5

S0

 

Testimony Of R. C. Shimeall

 

"It is to be observed as a singular circumstance, that the title, vicarivs filii dei (Vicar of the Son of God), which the Popes of Rome have assumed to themselves, and caused to be inscribed over the door of the Vatican, exactly makes the number of 666, when deciphered according to the numeral signification of its constituent letters, thus: {1943 CE, FAFA 230.1} 

Vicarof the Son of God

V I C A R I V S F I L I I D E I

5 1 100   1 5 1 50 1 1    500 1

 

Added together thus:

 5

 1

100

 0

 0

 1

 5

 0

 

 0

 1

 50

I 1

I 1

 

D500

 0

I 1

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666

 

Our Bible Chronology, Historic and Prophetic, Critically Examined and Demonstrated," R. C. Shimeall, p. 180. New York: A. S. Barnes and Co., 1867. {1943 CE, FAFA 230.2} 

 Appended to the above is a footnote, giving the author's reply to a correspondent: {1943 CE, FAFA 230.3} 

"Answer to a Querist. . . . {1943 CE, FAFA 230.4} 

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"Sir, - In answer to your observation and queries, permit me to say - the things I have asserted are stubborn, clear facts, not mere suppositions or fancies. {1943 CE, FAFA 231.1} 

"The inscription in question, was actually written over the door of the Vatican at Rome, in express Latin words and characters, as inserted in this publication, Viz., VICARIVS FILII DEI; and those Latin words and characters contain Latin numerals to the amount of 666, exactly corresponding with the number of the beast. {1943 CE, FAFA 231.2} 

"With respect to the supposition you have conjured up, that the Pope might he called Vicarius Christus, or Vicarius Christus Filii Dei (a sort of gibberish that is neither Latin, German, nor English), it is a matter I have nothing to do with. Mr. D. may adopt these or any other fancies to amuse himself, and to screen the head of his holiness, but when he has done all, this question will still remain to be answered: Have those inscriptions ever appeared over the door of the Vatican at Rome? {1943 CE, FAFA 231.3} 

"As to Mr. D's attempting to obscure the number of the beast 666, contained in the numerals of the words VICARIVS FILII DEI, by objecting to a V; however the Pope or his emissaries may be obliged to him for his kind exertions on their behalf, yet I presume neither of them will condescend to appear his humble fool in Latin, for the sake of sheltering themselves under his ignorance of the Latin alphabet and the ancient inscriptions." - Id., p. 180. {1943 CE, FAFA 231.4} 

 



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conclusion of the above two posts copied as is from adventist words of the pioneers folio view search 

"Vicarius Filii Dei" = 46 hits - this three part copy of one section - copied as is from that 1 hit .

 

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"Dr. S. T. Bloomfield gives us the following rule for finding the number:

"It means the number which is made up by reducing the numeral power of each of the letters of which the name is composed, and bringing it to a sum total." - "Greek Testament with English Notes," Note on Rev. 13: 17, Vol. II, p. 175. {1943 CE, FAFA 231.5} 

Samuel Hanson Cox, D. D. - "Can they [Protestants] accord to the present dominant Gregory, the pompous titles which he claims - VICARIUS FILII DEI, Vestra Sanctitas, Servus Servorus Domini, with other profane and blasphemous appellations without

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end?" - Introduction to Bower's "History of the Popes," Vol. I, p. x. Philadelphia: 1847. {1943 CE, FAFA 231.6} 

The fact that some may have seen a crown at the Vatican which did not have the above inscription does not disprove the statements of the men who saw the crown that has the inscription. According to a copyrighted news report from Milan, Italy, dated December 11, 1922, and published in the Des Moines (Iowa) Register, December 12, 1922, the pope has five crowns, the last one made being decked with two thousand precious stones. The important part is not that the inscription Vicarius Filii Dei is on the pope's tiara, but that it is the official title of the popes. It designates their official position, and is given to them at their coronation, just as the head of the United States government is called "President," without it therefore being necessary for him to, wear that title on his hat. {1943 CE, FAFA 232.1} 

Mr. H. S. Weaver, of Baltimore, Md., wrote to James Cardinal Gibbons, of the same city, under date of January 18, 1904, inquiring: {1943 CE, FAFA 232.2} 

"Does the inscription, 'Vicarius Filii Dei,' appear on the crown or mitre of the pope, or has it at any time in the past appeared on the crowns or mitres of any of the popes?"

"Yours sincerely,

(Signed) "H. S. Weaver." {1943 CE, FAFA 232.3} 

 To this letter the Cardinal answered through his secretary, as follows: {1943 CE, FAFA 232.4} 

 

"Baltimore, Md., Jan. 26, 1904.

"Mr. H. S. Weaver. 

"Dear Sir: {1943 CE, FAFA 232.5} 

"In reply to yours of 18th inst., I beg to say that I can not say with certainty that the words, Vicarius Filii Dei,' are on the pope's tiara. But the words are used by the cardinal who imposes the tiara at the coronation of a pope.

Yours truly,

(Signed) "Wm. T. Russell, Secretary." {1943 CE, FAFA 232.6} 

The New Catholic Dictionary says: {1943 CE, FAFA 232.7} 

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"Tiara, papal crown. . . . It is placed on his head at his Coronation by the second cardinal-deacon, with the words: 'Receive the tiara adorned with three crowns and know that thou art Father of princes and kings, Ruler of the world, Vicar of our Saviour Jesus Christ." - The New Catholic Dictionary, art. "Tiara," p. 955. {1943 CE, FAFA 233.1} 

We have already seen that Catholics have several free translations into English of the Latin title, "Vicarius Filii Dei." Some try to find in the Greek word Lateinos, or the Latin Empire of the Papacy, a fulfillment of Revelation 13: 18 (see "Bishop Newton on the Prophecies," - pp. 548-550), but there is no need of going to the Greek. For while it is true that the apostles used mostly the Aramaic and the Greek, Latin was the official language of Rome, the world empire at that time. The Romans everywhere used Latin, all their laws were written in that language, and Latin has remained the official language of the Papacy to this day. The apostle was prophesying of a strictly Latin power, whose language was in use in his day, and it is quite common for Bible writers to borrow foreign words and phrases belonging to the subjects of which they are speaking. (John 19: 20; Revelation 9: 11; 16: 16) {1943 CE, FAFA 233.2} 

Then, too, the power represented by Revelation 13: 1-10, 17, 18, must not only have the name indicated, but must also fulfill all the other specifications in this prophecy, and the Papacy does this. M. James Durham, Professor of Divinity in Glasgow (1658), says:

"He that hath all the characters of Antichrist's doctrine, and hath a name which, in the numeral letters, makes up 666, he is Antichrist. But to the Pope both these do agree." - "A Commentary Upon the Book of Revelation," Rev. 18: 18, p. 491. Glasgow: 1680. {1943 CE, FAFA 233.3} "

 

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This is a point of history and identification of ideology and it's human rulers as Bible Prophecy shows them.    

SOP quote "     It is true that there are real Christians in the Roman Catholic communion. Thousands in that church are serving God according to the best light they have. They are not allowed access to His Word, and therefore they do not discern the truth. They have never seen the contrast between a living heart-service and a round of mere forms and ceremonies. But God looks with pitying tenderness upon these souls, educated as they are in a faith that is delusive and unsatisfying. He will cause rays of light to penetrate the dense darkness that surrounds them. He will reveal to them the truth as it is in Jesus, and they will yet take their position with His people.  {ST, June 30, 1898 par. 5}  

     But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the Gospel of Christ now than at any former period in her history. The Protestant churches are in great darkness, or they would discern the signs of the times. The Roman Church is far-reaching in her plans and modes of operation. She is employing every device to extend her influence and increase her power in preparation for a fierce and determined conflict to regain control of the world, to re-establish persecution, and to undo all that Protestantism has done. Catholicism is gaining ground in our country upon every side. Look at the number of her churches and chapels. Look at her colleges and seminaries, so widely patronized by Protestants. These things should awaken the anxiety of all who prize the pure principles of the Gospel.  {ST, June 30, 1898 par. 6}  

     Protestants have tampered with and patronized popery; they have made compromises and concessions which papists themselves are surprised to see, and fail to understand. Men are closing their eyes to the real character of Romanism, and the dangers to be apprehended from her supremacy. The people of our land need to be aroused to resist the advances of this most dangerous foe to civil and religious liberty.  {ST, June 30, 1898 par. 7}  "

If the landmarks on the map are removed - how will the map be read ?

 



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words of the adventist pioneers - search "vicarius" = 54 hits 

""VERSE 18. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." {1897 UrS, DAR 624.1} 

The Number of His Name. - The number of the beast, says the prophecy, "is the number of a man;" and if it is to be derived from a name of title, the natural conclusion would be that it must be the name or title of some particular man. The most plausible expression we have seen suggested as containing the number of the beast, is the title which the pope takes to himself, and allows others to apply to him. That title is this: Vicarious Filii Dei, "Vicegerent of the Son of God." Taking the letters out of this title which the Latins used as numerals, and giving them their numerical value, we have just 666. Thus we have V, 5; I, 1; C, 100 (a and r not used as numerals); I, 1; U (formerly the same as V), 5 (s and f not used as numerals); I, 1; L, 50; I, 1; I, 1; D, 500 (e not used as a numeral); I, 1. Adding these number together, we have just 666. {1897 UrS, DAR 624.2} 

This title, there is reason to believe, was formerly inscribed upon the pope's crown. The following testimony on this point is given by the late Elder D.E. Scoles, of Washburn, Mo.:- {1897 UrS, DAR 624.3} 

"I have met two men who declare that they have seen this specific crown; and their testimony is so perfectly in agreement that I am convinced that what they saw is true. The first man was M. De Latti, a Sabbath-keeper who had previously been a Catholic priest, and had spent four years in Rome. He visited me when I was pastor in St. Paul, Minn., several years ago. I showed him my tract, "The Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast.' He at once told me that the inscription was not correctly placed in my illustration. He stated that he had often seen it in the museum at the Vatican, and

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gave a detailed and accurate description of the whole crown. When my tract was published, I was ignorant of the arrangement of the words of the Latin inscriptions, hence, in the illustration of the crown, placed them in one line. Brother De Latti at once pointed out the mistake, and said the first word of the sentence was on the first crown of the triple arrangement, the second word on the second part of the crown, while the word Dei was on the lower division of the triple crown. He also explained that the first two words were in dark-colored jewels, while the Dei was composed entirely of diamonds.  {1897 UrS, DAR 624.4} 

"During a tent-meeting which I held in Webb City, Mo., I presented the subject, 'The Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast.' I used charts to illustrate it, one being a reproduction of the crown as Brother De Latti had described it. A Presbyterian minister was present, Rev. B. Hoffman, and when I described the crown, he spoke out publicly and made a statement to the congregation, saying that while in Rome studying for the priesthood, he had seen this very crown, and noted its inscription, and that the word Dei was composed of one hundred diamonds. I met him and learned his name, and visited him at his home, and was convinced from his description that this was the identical crown that Brother De Latti had seen, but which has been denied by many. I then asked him for a written statement, and he gave me the following:- {1897 UrS, DAR 625.1} 

"'To Whom It May Concern: This is to certify that I was born in Bavaria in 1828, was educated in Munich, and was reared a Roman Catholic. In 1844 and 1845 I was a student for the priesthood in the Jesuit College in Rome. During the Easter service of 1845, Pope Gregory XVI wore a triple crown upon which was the inscription, in jewels, Vicarious Filii Dei. We were told that there were one hundred diamonds in the word Dei; the other words were of some other kind of precious stones of a darker color. There was one word upon each crown, and not all on the same line. I was present at the service, and saw the crown distinctly, and noted it carefully. {1897 UrS, DAR 625.2} 

"'In 1850 I was converted to God and to Protestantism. Two years later I entered the Evangelical Church ministry, but later in life I united with the Presbyterian Church, of

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which I am now a retired pastor, having been in the ministry for fifty years. {1897 UrS, DAR 625.3} 

"'I have made the above statement at the request of Elder D.E. Scoles, as he states that some deny that the pope ever wore this tiara. But I know that he did, for I saw it upon his head. {1897 UrS, DAR 626.1} 

"'Sincerely your in Christian service,

(Signed) "'B. HOFFMAN.

"'Webb City, Mo., Oct. 29, 1906.'" {1897 UrS, DAR 626.2} 

The following extract is from a work entitled The Reformation, bearing the date of 1832:- {1897 UrS, DAR 626.3} 

"'Mrs. A.,' said Miss Emmons, 'I saw a very curious fact the other day; I have dwelt upon it much, and will mention it. A person, lately, was witnessing a ceremony of the Romish Church. As the pope passed him in procession, splendidly dressed in his pontifical robes, the gentleman's eye rested on these full, blazing letters in front of his miter: "VICARIUS FILLII DEI," the Vicar of the Son of God. His thoughts, with the rapidity of lightning, reverted to Rev.13:18.' 'Will you turn to it/' said Mrs. A. Alice opened the New Testament and read: 'Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.' She paused, and Miss Emmons said, 'He took out his pencil, and marking the numerical letters or the inscription on his tablet, it stood 666.'" {1897 UrS, DAR 626.4} 

Here we have indeed the number of a man, even the "man of sin;" and it is a little singular, perhaps providential, that he should select a title which shows the blasphemous character of the beast, and then cause it to be inscribed upon his miter, as if to brand himself with the number 666. The foregoing extract doubtless refers to a particular pope on a particular occasion. Other popes might not wear the title emblazoned on the miter, as there stated. But this does not affect the application at all; for the popes all assume to be the "Vicar of Christ" (see Standard Dictionary under "vicar"), and the Latin words given above are the words which express that

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title, in the form "vicar of the Son of God;" and their numerical value is 666. {1897 UrS, DAR 626.5} "

 



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This is making the Papacy and the Pope some above the true one who is truly the man of sin.

2Th 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

That Wicked would not be in a capital letter if it were only a mere man and the Greek word for Wicked is "anomos" and the meaning here in this case is "the alpha lawless one".  That lets the Pope out of this one for sure, not that makes me happy.

 

anomos an'-om-os

from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; lawless, i.e. (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication, a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:--without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked.

See Greek 1
See Greek 3551

The a of anomos makes it the alpha the reason to see Greek 1, Greek 3551 simply is "law".

There is many Bible instances where wicked one and that wicked are used and it is to Satan.

Mt 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side
Mt 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mt 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
1Jo 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1Jo 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

I have no pleasure whatever in not applying this to the Pope as he and the Papacy are sore apostates.

It is Satan that will speak the decree that will have "teeth" in it to do what is the desired thing of those who are note Christ's Jewels.

" I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother.  {SpM 1.4}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

 



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Man of Sin 

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    The apostle Paul warned the church not to look for the coming of Christ in his day. That day shall not come, he says, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed. [2 Thessalonians 2:3.] Not till after the great apostasy, and the long period of the reign of the man of sin, can we look for the advent of our Lord. The man of sin, which is also styled the mystery of iniquity, the son of perdition, and that wicked,  represents the papacy, which, as foretold in prophecy, was to maintain its supremacy for 1260 years. This period ended in 1798. The coming of Christ could not take place before that time. Paul covers with his caution the whole of the Christian dispensation down to the year 1798. It is this side of that time that the message of Christ's second coming is to be proclaimed.  {GC88 356.1} 

     No such message has ever been given in past ages. Paul, as we have seen, did not preach it; he pointed his brethren into the then far-distant future for the coming of the Lord. The reformers did not proclaim it. Martin Luther placed the Judgment about three hundred years in the future from his day. But since 1798 the book of Daniel has been unsealed, knowledge of the prophecies has increased, and many have proclaimed the solemn message of the Judgment near.  {GC88 356.2}

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Here we are taught that finite man is not to be placed where God should be. He is not to be honored as a god, or to be bowed down to. "Worship Him that made heaven and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." The man of sin is worshiped in the person of the pope, and his representative, the cardinal. But God has not given this power to pope or prelate. The pope is not regarded by God as anything more than a man who is acting out in our world the character of the man of sin, representing in his claims that power and authority which Satan claimed in the heavenly courts.  {5MR 102.2}  

     Satan inspired these men who claim to be Christ's vicegerents upon earth. Prayers are offered to private saints in heaven for many favors. But these men are not in heaven. They lie in their graves until the coming of the Son of man in the clouds of heaven. Mary, the mother of our Lord, has not been raised. She is waiting the sound of the trump of God that shall call the dead from their prison house. All the prayers offered to Mary fall to the ground. Mary's ears have not yet been pierced by the sound of the trump of God.  {5MR 102.3}  

     The question has been asked, Do you not believe that we should pray to the dead apostles and saints? No; for this would teach for doctrine not a "Thus saith the Lord," but the "thus saith" of the man of sin, "the son of perdition; who opposeth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."--Ms 163, 1897, pp. 8, 9. ("The Third Angel's Message," December 17, 1897.)  {5MR 103.1}  

 



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Man of sin is mentioned one time in the Bible and if there was not one before the Pope I might consider him to be that one.  But there is one long before him, Satan and he intends to set in the temple of God not in Rome but in Jerusalem.

2Th 2:3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Now the next two verses actually reveal who this is and not even look up the Greek word "anomos" for "that Wicked".

The nest two verses best be read as one and then we are not so apt to miss the revealing words of verse 9.  It reveals that Christ comes  and consumes and destroys this one working his evil and names him, "Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders."


2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Investigation of Doctrine.--"There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation.  {CW 35.2} 


     We are living in perilous times, and it does not become us to accept everything claimed to be truth without examining it thoroughly; neither can we afford to reject anything that bears the fruits of the Spirit of God; but we should be teachable, meek and lowly of heart. There are those who oppose everything that is not in accordance with their own ideas, and by so doing they endanger their eternal interest as verily as did the Jewish nation in their rejection of Christ."  {CW 35.3}

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.



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2 Thessalonians 2:8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

His Coming ='s Second Coming

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Mark 15:28  And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors <459>.

Luke 22:37  For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors <459>: for the things concerning me have an end.

Acts 2:23  Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked <459> hands have crucified and slain:

1 Corinthians 9:21  To them that are without law <459>, as without law <459>, (being not without law <459> to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law <459>.

2 Thessalonians 2:8  And then shall that Wicked <459> be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

1 Timothy 1:9  Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless <459> and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

2 Peter 2:8  (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful <459> deeds;)

Context of 

2 Thessalonians 2:

3 ¶  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5  Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6  And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.  

8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:   (Second Coming )  Satan is not killed by the Second Coming > he is bound 1000 yrs.

9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

"is after the working of Satan", is not satan but in imitation of Satan.

( " mystery of iniquity  "  =  67 hits)

"Paul's words were not to be misinterpreted. It was not to be taught that he, by special revelation, had warned the Thessalonians of the immediate coming of Christ. Such a position would cause confusion of faith; for disappointment often leads to unbelief. The apostle therefore cautioned the brethren to receive no such message as coming from him, and he proceeded to emphasize the fact that the papal power, so clearly described by the prophet Daniel, was yet to rise and wage war against God's people. Until this power should have performed its deadly and blasphemous work, it would be in vain for the church to look for the coming of their Lord. "Remember ye not," Paul inquired, "that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"  {AA 265.2}  

     Terrible were the trials that were to beset the true church. Even at the time when the apostle was writing, the "mystery of iniquity" had already begun to work. The developments that were to take place in the future were to be "after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish."  {AA 266.1}  

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"History will repeat itself. In this age the great test will be upon the point of Sabbath observance. . . . A rival sabbath is exalted, as was the great golden image in the plain of Dura. Leaders claiming to be Christians will call upon the world to observe the spurious sabbath that they have made. All who refuse will be put under oppressive laws. This is the mystery of iniquity, the devising of satanic agencies, carried into effect by the man of sin. . . . {CTr 178.5} 

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"The apostle Paul warned the church not to look for the coming of Christ in his day. That day shall not come, he says, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed. [2 Thessalonians 2:3.] Not till after the great apostasy, and the long period of the reign of the man of sin, can we look for the advent of our Lord. The man of sin, which is also styled the mystery of iniquity, the son of perdition, and that wicked, represents the papacy, which, as foretold in prophecy, was to maintain its supremacy for 1260 years. This period ended in 1798. The coming of Christ could not take place before that time. Paul covers with his caution the whole of the Christian dispensation down to the year 1798. It is this side of that time that the message of Christ's second coming is to be proclaimed.  {GC88 356.1} 



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We don't have to look far at all to know the truth of "that Wicked" is, it is easy, it stands right out in our face!

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Verse 8 tells us the LORD will consume, destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Verse 9 is a continuation telling us that the LORDS coming is after this working of Satan with all his power, signs and lying wonders.  The word is lying and not laying.  The Pope has a little power but nothing compared to Satan knowing the Pope at one time was Satan's right hand man and still is but to a lesser degree.  Satan has other right hand men not seen by many also.

The Pope and the Papacy has had their day,

 "I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon's mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother.  {SpM 1.4}

And EGW tells us who she sees as the beast of Re 13:1-18,

In Revelation we read concerning Satan: "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:13-17). . . .  {3SM 393.1}

So we can know for sure whose mouth the decree comes out of, of which the decrees of man are of little effect in comparison.

The following verses all make that wicked or wicked one Satan and the verse 2 Thess 2:8 even uses the Greek word "anomos" for "that Wicked" in the negative which even spells out "the alpha lawless one".

We must I believe stand on the Word and not on what our pioneers taught.

Mt 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Mt 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
1Jo 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1Jo 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.



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6  And <2532> now <3568> ye know <1492> (5758) what withholdeth <2722> (5723) that <1519> he <846> might be revealed <601> (5683) in <1722> his <1438> time <2540>.

7  For <1063> the mystery <3466> of iniquity <458> doth <1754> <0> already <2235> work <1754> (5731): only <3440> he who now <737> letteth <2722> (5723) will let, until <2193> he be taken <1096> (5638) out of <1537> the way <3319>.

8  And <2532> then <5119> shall <601> <0> that Wicked <459> be revealed <601> (5701), whom <3739> the Lord <2962> shall consume <355> (5692) with the spirit <4151> of his <846> mouth <4750>, and <2532> shall destroy <2673> (5692) with the brightness <2015> of his <846> coming <3952>:

 

revealed in his time ( Satan was revealed centuries beforehand ) but after Pauls lifetime when the imperial Caesars and imperial Rome were gone - in the year 508AD the Bishop who declared himself Head of all Bishops and sole Judge of the Church - arose, and in 538 AD assumed power through political intrigue . That created the office of Pope and Papal rule for 1260 years, and Satan gave the Papacy his seat and a portion of his power - but the Pope is the office of the Wicked One who as a human declares and accepts declaration that he is God on Earth. 

 

Until Jesus leaves the Most Holy Place, Satan is not allowed control at a level such as would happen if he could do in person what the Scripture shows the Popes office to do, it would have long since overwhelmed all nations of Earth preventing the gospel from completing its job and the final call of the Latter Rain, thus it would have been more than the human race could endure. Jesus made a way of escape for His faithful across their eras, He refused to allow Satan to dop that, and only allowed a lesser creature to do a similar but greatly lesser work. Had Satan be given no restraints Earth would have been depopulated of all life.  Once the redeemed are sealed and certified, Satan is allowed free reign while the most intense part of the time of trouble is going on and the seven last plagues begin.

 

601. apokalupto ap-ok-al-oop-to; from 575 and 2572; to take off the cover, i.e. disclose:  reveal. 

 

459. anomos an-om-os; from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; lawless, i.e. (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication, a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:  without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked. 

 

3551. nomos nom-os; from a primary  nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), genitive case (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle):  law. 

 



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Yes Satan has had restraints there is no doubt.  The four angels see to things not getting ahead of the time for evil to escalate.

Satan cannot come forth to personate Christ until he is "let."

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

"letteth" - -  katecho kat-ekh'-o

from 2596 and 2192; to hold down (fast), in various applications (literally or figuratively):--have, hold (fast), keep (in memory), let, X make toward, possess, retain, seize on, stay, take, withhold.

See Greek 2596  See Greek 2192

I ask, what is to be revealed of the Pope?  It is Satan that so many don't believe even exists.  When Christ comes it will be soundly revealed that he is nothing but an imposter!

Those 3 verses above clearly reveal and tell us it is Satan.  Verse 9 tells us without doubt the one spoken of in verses 7,8 is Satan.

 1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

 



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Enough conflicting discussion: on to reviewing the book it's self.

 

"The Truth About 666   and the Story of the Great ApostasyWith this trilogy on the enigmatic number 666 in the Book of  Revelation, Edwin de Kock has presented  us  with the  most exhaustive  study on the subject currently available from the Historicist perspective.  

William H. Shea, M.D., Ph.D.  

Retired professor of Old Testament, Andrews University Former Associate Director, Biblical Research Institute  

    The Truth about 666 is the most extensive treatment of the Historicist  prophetic interpretation of 666. It brings out abundant evidence for the  view of Vicarius Filii Dei as the best interpretation of Revelation 13:18  and exposes the problems with the Preterist and Idealist interpretations.  The book should be required reading for anyone studying the end-time  prophecies of the Bible. 

 P. Gerard Damsteegt, Dr. Theol. 

 Associate Professor, Church History Department, Seminary, Andrews  University 

 With The Truth About 666 and the Story of the Great Apostasy, Edwin  de Kock has both recovered and magnificently delineated a precious mine  of Historicist truth. He provides by far the most comprehensive treatment of  the  notorious  apocalyptic number and its prophetic corollaries ever  produced. As such, de Kocks magnum opus is destined to become the  unparalleled standard on this subject. 

Jerry A. Stevens, English major and two masters degrees in education  Author, Vicarius Filii Dei 

Former editor, ADVENTISTS AFFIRM

In its capacity as a state, the Roman Catholic church-state of the Middle  Ages will have needed a constitution. If it ever had one, it  was  the  Donation of Constantine, where we first find the papal title Vicarius Filii  Dei (Vicar of the Son of God). If this is not an official title of the papacy,  no such title exists. De Kock has explored the history of Vicarius Filii Dei  in perhaps more detail than anyone ever will, but if the day comes when someone extends his researches further, I predict they will only find more  evidence for his positions.  

Frank W. Hardy, Ph.D. 

Doctorate in Linguistics and graduate degree in Old Testament studies Former editor of Historicism  

The Truth About 666 and the Story of the Great Apostasy  is largely  based on colossal amounts of recently discovered information. Much of it  is history. A significant part of it is religious history. The reader will find that sure evidence points to the correct understanding of the Sea Beast in Revelation 13, its name and number. De Kocks presentation is a thorough,  frank, factual, eye-opener history of one  of  Christendoms  greatest apostates, its character and career.  

 Harold Erickson, Ed.D. 

Taught Church  History and  Daniel and Revelation classes at Spicer  Memorial College for eighteen years; now conducts prophetic seminars   (since 1987) 

Like  everything  else  in the book, your documentation and historical approach are impeccable. 

Douglas E. LaPrade, Ph.D. 

 Author in English and Spanish. Two Fulbright scholarships   Tenured English professor, University of TexasPan American Additional Books on Prophecy and Other Matters  Seven Heads and Ten Horns in Daniel and the Revelation, data CD (2011).   The Use and Abuse of Prophecy (2007). 

Christ and Antichrist in Prophecy and History (2001).* 

*Out of print. An updated 2007 revision, together with 13 other pieces, is  available on a data CD. 

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The Truth About 666   and the Story of the Great Apostasy

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Dedicated to the Memory of 

Andreas Helwig

(c.15721643) 

who first discovered  the truth about 666 

as well as the many writers 

of different creeds and denominations  who subsequently have held high the torch 

that he lit   Table of Contents 

Dedication 3

Acknowledgements 7

From the Author to the Reader 10

Abbreviations 11

Preface by William H. Shea 12

INTRODUCTION 

Enter the Beast   15

Volume I

The Story of the Great Apostasy 

PART 1: The Basics

1. An Early Expectation of the End   21    

2. Biblical Parallels for 666   23    

3. Magic Squares and the Sun God   25    

4. Letters of the Alphabet as Numbers   36    

5. Helwigs Great Discovery 51    

6. The Helwig Gap and Later Protestantism 67  

7. Too Many Names and Other Confusions   79    

8. Clarifying the Criteria   92   

PART 2: The Ascent to Papal Power 

9. The Mystery of Lawlessness   111   

10. The Primacy of Peter? 135 

11. Germanic Interlude   155 

12. Clovis Converted   174 

13. Justinian and the Reconquest 194 

14. Visigothic Compromise   214 

15. Celtic Christianity Liquidated   220 

PART 3: The Pope Becomes a King 

16. Prelude to the Donation   249  

17. The Donation of Constantine   254  

18. Forgery Upon Forgery 263  

19. The Anatomy of Forgery and Fraud   268  

20. Published Again and Again   275 

Volume II

PART 4: The Further Witness of History

21. The Donation Casts a Long Medieval Shadow   283  

22.22. The Donation and a Papacy in Decline   301  

23. The Donation Contradicted and Debunked   315   

24. In Catholic Countries, the Donation and Its Title Endure   336  

25. The Counter-Reformation, a Reactionary and Bloody Response    341  

26. The Donation and the Voyages of Discovery 348  

27. Vicegerent of the Son of God   360  

28. Papal Onslaught and Fiasco in Africa and the Far East 366  

29. France and Gallicanism 387  

30. From the Grand Monarch to the Little Corporaland Beyond    409  

31. Many, Mostly Catholic Voices Just Before and in the Nineteenth Century  425 

Volume III

PART 5: The Seventh-day Adventist Connection 

32. Uriah Smiths Unique Contribution   453  

33. Indignant Catholics Respond   468  

34. Seventh-day Adventists Doubt and Adapt 494  

35. Catholic Use of Vicarius Filii Dei in the Twentieth Century   526

36. Majoring in Minors   537  

37. Three Are Said to Have Seen It 539  

38. Tiaras Galore, but Nary a One with Vicarius Filii Dei   565  

39. Numerology and Catch-All Idealism 576  

40. More Non-Historicist Writers and Influences   589  

41. Early Idealist Intrusions and Rebuttals 610  

42. A Few Later Historicists Who Got It Wrong   623  

43. Idealism More Boldly Invades the Seventh-day Adventist Church   632  

44. The Bastion Restored   658  

45. A Resurgent Papacy 663 

CONCLUSION 

Exit the Beast   675 

Notes   684  

Appendix I: About This Book 776  

Appendix II: Catholic Documents   791  

Appendix III: Mostly Protestant, Non-Seventh-Day Adventist Publications   794 

Appendix IV: Ingredients, Scope, and Structure of The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White   840 

Appendix V: Dissenters of the Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries Opposing  the Historicist Equation Vicarius Filii   Dei = 666   852 

Appendix VI: Philosophy as Theology   856 

Appendix VII: Translating the Word 866

Prophetic and Other Publications  871

The Author   874 (anthros )

In lieu of a General Index, please use the data CD at the back.  

This works in one of two ways. Either use the ordinary search function of the computer or the open index displayed  at the side. In the latter case, special markingseither little  triangles on a Mac or plus and minus signs on a PCenable  the opening up and closure of chapter headings and even the  notes for each. Just click on those markings and see them appear or disappear.  "

 

 



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Now that the Index is posted - pick a single chapter desired to be reviewed, and post which chapter that is desired to be reviewed, and let us determine if this book is worth the cost of investment to purchase a copy, and if the theology is worth including in SDA thought and beliefs.



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That is fine Ed but I have learned a long time ago not to be led of any church structure of men or any man's commentaries or theology.  The Bible is the one and only sure and safe guide.  He also of it has given His promise to guide us into all truth and show us things to come and so I would say that is where to go.

I have always appreciated your view of things and consider what you write as these and others thoughts stir up new investigations that have helped me and others to grow.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.



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1Thessalonians 4:15-18 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

So we see that Paul DID think that he was living in the last days.

John believed so too:

1John 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

No doubt the more we delve into the subject, the more we see that basically every follower of Christ has believed that they were living in the last days.

Martin Luther wrote: ""I would compell no man to believe me, and yet in this matter I will not yield up my Judgement to any aother, namely, that the Last Day is not far off .. Let us not therefore be wanting to ourselves, disregarding the most diligent premonition and prophesie of Christ our Saviour; but seeing in our Age the Signs foretold by him, do often come to pass, let us not think that the coming of Christ is far off.""  "The Signs of Christ's Coming"

"I hope the last day of judgment is not far, I persuade myself verily it will not be absent full three hundred years longer; for God's word will decrease and be darkened for want of true shepherds and servants of God. The voice will sound and heard erelong: 'Behold the Bridegroom cometh.' God neither will nor can suffer this wicked world much longer, He must strike in with the dreadful day, and punish the contemning of His word." (Familiar Discourses, pp. 7, 8. )

"Let us not think that the coming of Christ is far off." ; Believed that the End would occur no later than 1600. (Weber p.66)

So we see that Martin Luther considered the coming of Christ as being WITHIN 300 years, NOT AFTER 300 years, and that he believed it would occur before 1600 according to one person who has studied Luther's writings.

Chapter 10 about the Primacy of Peter? looks interesting smile  I've had quite a few Catholics online tell me proudly that their church goes back to Peter, so would like to know more historical facts regarding that assertion.



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It is because of the way they read and take this verse to mean Christ built His Church on Peter,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

But He is telling Peter he is a stone, an Apostle and upon this Rock, Himself I will build my Church.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Chapter Ten 

THE PRIMACY OF PETER? 

I

In 1651, Thomas Hobbes (15881679) declared: The papacy is no other,  than the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon the grave  thereof: for so did the papacy start up on a sudden out of the ruins of that heathen power.1 The writer was a famous British  polymath:  philosopher,  political theorist, translator of Homer, and even a minor Latin poet.2 Leviathan, the  book that contains this celebrated statement, is an English classic (the  spelling and punctuation of which we here have modernized).   

Hobbes in several passages elaborated his idea that the papal power was a  rump state of the Roman Empire. About Latin, which Catholicism has retained  and which is not commonly used by any nation now in the world, he asked: What is it but the ghost of the old Roman language?Many other things, too,  had been inherited from the ancient imperial religion. Therefore, he spoke of  the old empty bottles of gentilism, which the doctors of the Roman Church,  either by negligence or ambition, have filled up again with the new wine of Christianity.3    

In pagan times, the kingpin of the Empire was Caesar Augustus and his  successors to the throne. They represented Rome itself, so the Senate voted divine honors to most of them after their death. However, Domitian, a vicious  man who ruled from A.D.81 to A.D. 96, personally insisted on being addressed  as dominus et deus (master and god) in his lifetime.4   Such men, supposedly divine, had to be worshiped. This practice derived from earlier Middle Eastern  states. One of the imperial titles was  The  Son of God,  which happened to coincide with Christian usage. We have already shown how Benedict XVI  made that assertion. He also said this title had first been applied to Babylonian and Egyptian kings.5  Incidentally, while this was true of all the Pharaohs, only  some Mesopotamian rulers claimed to be divine. 

That for centuries the popes have been described as vicars of the Son of  God, an idea not present in the Bible, is part of their  syncretistic,  pagan heritage. But have they also dared to go further in imitating the old Roman  emperors through an aspiration to divinity? Indeed, they have. Lucius Ferraris,  whom we have already cited, said the pontiff was both the vicarius Filii Dei and so to speak God on earth.6   

Let us, however, return to Hobbes, who  mentioned  specific  parallels between pagan and papal practice. Instances of this were the carrying about of  images in procession and the bearing of burning torches, and candles, before  the images of the gods, both amongst the Greeks and Romans. For afterwards  the emperors of Rome received the same honor . . . And in process of time, the  devout but ignorant people did many times honor their bishops with the like  pomp of wax candles, and the images of our Saviour and the saints, constantly,  in the church itself.7 Curiously, the canonization of saints is also a relic from pagan Rome. It bestowed posthumous sanctity on its greatest leaders, from Romulus to its emperors. Even Julius Caesar was proclaimed a saint!8    

About the  claim to Petrine Primacy, which the popes asserted had given  them authority over all other religious leaders,  Hobbes  declared: It is not any privilege of St. Peter, but the privilege of the city of Rome, which the emperors  were always willing to uphold, that gave  them such authority over other  bishops; as  may be evidently seen by [the fact] that the bishop of  Constantinople,  when  the  emperor  made that city the seat of the Empire,  pretended  to be equal to the bishop of Rome; though at last, not without contention, the pope carried it and became the  Pontifex Maximus; but in right only of the emperor . . .9   

Hobbes was sarcastic about the errors brought in from false or uncertain history, what is all the legend of fictitious miracles in the lives of the saints and all the histories of apparitions and ghosts, alleged by the doctors [but] which  have no warrant, neither in reason nor Scripture; as also those traditions which  they call the unwritten Word of God. These, he asserted, were just old wives  fables.10  

Two hundred years after Hobbes, Ellen G. White in 1888 commented on  how paganism had gained the upper hand over Christianity, especially after  Constantines nominal conversion. Abetted by the  bishops,  he  deliberately amalgamated his sun-worshipping Mithraic cult with the requirements of the  gospel. And then the world, cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked into the church. The result was that Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished,  became the conqueror.11 So the victory did not, after all, go to Christianity but to heathenism. The Great Apostasy, by perverting the gospel of Jesus Christ and through other dogmas at variance with Bible truth,  is essentially a  semipagan religion. 

II

In the Olivet discourse, just before his crucifixion, the Saviour left us vital clues to heavens view of Rome: When ye therefore shall see the abomination  of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whose  readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the  mountains . . . (Matt. 24:15, 16). Jesus was speaking of the Roman army that would encircle and finally destroy Jerusalem, together with its temple. 

Let us break down this expression into its two components. 

It is called the abomination, Rome as Jesus conceived of it. Desolation  is what it brought about, both physicallyeven to the extent of destroying  Gods ancient people, the Jewsand through  its  assaults on  the  Lords  sanctuary on earth and in heaven. Let us page back to Daniel the prophet to examine briefly what that ancient seer foretold. We discover that much of it concerned this same entity, linked to all the prophetic time periods in his book. 

When still a lad, in his explanation of Nebuchadnezzars dream, the young  prophet explained: And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch  as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all  things:  and as iron that breaketh all  these, shall it break in pieces and bruise  (Dan.  2:40). Rome, throughout its  career, as a republic or as an empire, had  a  habit of  using  force  to smash  and  hurt whatever nation or individual dared to oppose it. It could also be cunningly diplomatic when it had to be. 

Years afterwards, beyond Nebuchadnezzars time, the now aged Daniel  in  night visions saw four beasts climbing up out of the Mediterranean. The  fourth one was dreadful and terrible,  and  strong exceedingly; and it had great iron  teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and  stamped the residue with the feet  of  it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. (Dan. 7:7). Daniels attention was especially drawn to this nasty, cyborg  creature, part animal, part metal. It  was  diverse  from all the others, exceeding  dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which  devoured,  brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet (vs. 19). The two metals,  iron and brass, also featured in Nebuchadnezars  image,  identifying  the  fourth beast  as  a Graeco-Roman state. However, the focus now shifted from the  ancient Empire to the kingdoms into which, at least throughout the West, it had  broken up, and especially  the  Little Horn. The latter represented an ascendant papacy, after three of the previous horns had been plucked up. It is on this entity that Daniels attention was riveted, for in it were eyes like the eyes of a  man,  and  a  mouth speaking great things (vs. 8). What particularly distressed  him was  that the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them until the time of the judgment (vv. 21-22).  

To  Daniel,  who was seeking to understand this vision, a heavenly expositor  explained it. He reemphasized the ferocity as well as the destructiveness  of  the  beast. Thus, he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon  earth,  which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and  shall tread it down, and break it in pieces  (vs.  23). But what about the Little  Horn? He shall speak  great words against the most High, and shall wear out  the saints of the most High, and think to change times  and laws:  and they  shall  be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (vs. 25).  As already shown, this is the 1260 year-days that the books of Daniel and the  Revelation mention no fewer than seven times. For this period,  the  papacy would be largely victorious over those whom God  regards  as  his  people.  Another of its characteristics was that it would sacrilegiously think to change  times and the laws, which climaxes the mystery  of lawlessness  dealt  with in the previous chapter. 

Dan. 8 augments Dan. 7  with further explanations, though it uses different imagery,  based  on  a sheep ram and a he-goat. Both of these are sanctuary  animals. Symbolically they also represent  the  Medo-Persians and the Greeks,  especially  those  of Hellenistic  times. At first glance, this vision seems to be about another Little Horn grown  huge,  because its career is not limited to the  1260 year-days. It is rather fitted into the 2300 year-days, the longest time  prophecy in the Bible, stretching from 457  B.C. to  A.D.  1844.  Nor does it grow  on  the head of the Roman beast but seems to issue from a Grecian horn. As we  will  show  in  a future book, this symbolism is most appropriate. Even  biologically,  the  Romans  were partly descended from the ancient Greeks, who  had settled in southern Italy all the way up to Naples as well as in western Sicily. Very much of Roman culture, philosophy, and religion were also  derived from them.  

A mighty Being instructed the angel Gabriel to tell  Daniel  what  this  vision meant. He likewise stressed the  destructiveness of Rome, but also added that the  prince  of  the  hostthe Messiah, the Lord Jesus himselfwould become its special target. Indeed, the place of his sanctuary would be cast down.  The Little Horn cast down the truth  to the ground: and it practiced,  and  prospered. (Dan. 8:11-12). In this vision, Daniel heard a  holy being  question  another saint about this horrible creature, which he called the transgression  of  desolation (vs. 13). The answer came: His power  shall be  mighty, but not by his own power: and  he  shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper and  practice,  and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his  policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his  hand; and  he  shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also  stand  up  against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.  (Vv.  2426). In his discourse on the Mount of Olives, our Lord  was especially referring  to this prediction.

 



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"The Little Horn of Dan. 8 is different from the  one in Dan. 7 in being more  comprehensive. It provides a larger context, representing Rome as  a  whole  in its relation to the Holy Land, its people, and Christ himself. For Jesus sitting on  the  Mount of  Olives,  as for the later Hobbes and Ellen G. White, there was no  essential  differencealthough, when necessary, the Lord prophetically does  distinguish between these aspects. Rome as an agent of the  Evil One  put the  Redeemer to death and  then  in  A.D. 70 went on to destroy Jerusalem together  with its magnificent temple.  

However  we  may interpret the role of the scribes and Pharisees in Jesus  time,  it was the Romans who actually crucified him and afterward destroyed  both the Jews as a nation state and their  ancient sanctuary. The symbolism of  Dan. 8 can therefore  not be limited to the papacy, yet in some sense this must  also be included; otherwise the juxtaposition of the Little Horn in Dan. 7 with the one in Dan. 8 would be more than awkward.  

In  Gods  eyes,  Rome is Rome from beginning to end. The Papal States  became a rump of it, the Holy Roman Empire  sought to revive it, the Vatican  today  perpetuates  it.  Ultimately,  it aims at reestablishing its domination on a  planetary scale.  

Dan. 9 recounts how the angel Gabriel returned  to continue  Heavens  explanation  of  Dan. 8. He related it to the seventy prophetic weeks or 490  literal  years, which form part of the  2300 year-days. Verses 26 and 17, with  which the chapter ends, predict:  

And after the sixty-two weeks  

Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. 

And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.  The end of it shall be with a flood,  And till the end of the war desolations are  determined.

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many

for one week; 

But in the middle of the week

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.  And on the wing of abominations shall be 

one who makes desolate. 

Even until the consummation, which is   determined, Is poured out on the desolate. (Dan. 9:26-27, RKJV)

This prophecy, uttered centuries  earlier, foretold that Rome at a specific  time would murder the Messiah  and  then  destroy Jerusalem together with the  sanctuary in it. In the passage cited, the  words  abominations  and  desolations occur explicitly. 

Dan. 11 likewise depicts the animosity of this entity against Gods  holy  covenant as well as an armed assault  on the sanctuary of strength, which  will  be polluted. Moreover, Rome was destined to take away the daily  sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (Dan.  11:30-31) In both these Scriptures, sacrifice is a supplied word which is absent from the original. The daily was the $*/( (tamid), as the Hebrew original  puts it, encompassing a good deal more.  

For Israelites and Jews, it was really the entire sanctuary service. For some Christians, it therefore refers to the risen Lords intercessory work on our behalf in heaven. Others, however, interpret it as paganism. This issue is discussed in a  further chapter. 

The abomination that makes desolate is mentioned yet again in Daniels  final verses, where it is linked with three related time prophecies, 1260, 1290,  the 1335 year-days. About the second last of these, we read: From the time  that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (Dan.  12:11). We particularly note that the words set up, like place in Dan. 11:31,  refers not to the mere existence of the abomination that makes desolatefor it  is an ancient thingbut a specific further development, to be dealt with later in its proper place.   

On the Mount of Olives, Jesus looked back to Daniels predictions. He also  looked forward: And Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until  the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21: 24). These words are closely  mirrored in the Apocalypse: And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar,  and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave  out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall  they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two  witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore  days, clothed in sackcloth. (Rev. 11:13, emphasis added.)   

When Christians interpret these prophecies, they often omit the Jews, as  though God were no longer interested in his ancient people. Such a position  cannot, however, be sustained from his Holy Word. In the terrible time of papal oppression, not only his true Christian followers were persecuted,  often  slaughtered, for their faith. Horrible treatment was also meted out to the Jews,  of whom many were precious in his sight. Most significantly, these remained a  perpetual witness to the true Sabbath, for which we honor them. We are not Dispensationalists. Nevertheless, we believe that according to Rev. 11:1-3 there  would no longer be a heavenly prohibition against the existence state for the  Jews. At any time after 1798, they could return.  

But, it may be objected, with the crucifixion the services of the earthly  temple lost their significance. The sacrifices, the priests with their intercession for sinners, and the great national festivals had been symbols, foreshadowing  the coming of the Messiah, who came to redeem the world. And yet the temple  built in Solomons day and rebuilt when the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity, as well as its predecessor, the tabernacle created when Moses still led the chosen people, had for a millennium and a half been the object of Gods  supreme regard. All this was remembered by Jesus, the incarnated Second  Person of the holy Trinity and a Jew. In that vast expanse of time, it had been  holy as nothing else on earth, and desecrating anything connected with it was  punishable by death.  

Even priests could and did die when they committed a sanctuary sin. Such were Nadab and Abihu, sons of Aaron, the high priest. They put strange fire  on their censers and then dared to appear before God. And there went out fire  from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Then  Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the  LORD  spake,  saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be  glorified (Lev. 10:14). In Samuels time, the Most High even rejected the  entire line of Eli the high priest, because his sons Hophni and Phinehaswho  were also sons of Belialabused the sacrificial meat. They also fornicated  with the women that assembled at the door of the tabernacle of the  congregation. (1 Sam. 2:1217, 22, 2736) Their sentence was both to die in  one day (vs. 34). Surely these were object lessons and warnings for all ages to come concerning those who serve at his altar! 

When he executed these judgments, the sleepless guardian of his people,  the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Dan. 12:1),  who has always loved righteousness and hated lawlessness (Heb. 1:9, RSV),  did not let highpriestly succession stand in his way. 

Not even the supreme pontiff Aaron or the great Moses  himself  was  exempt. They died without realizing their dream, which they had cherished for  so long, of entering Canaan with their people, whom theyguided  by the  Lordhad freed from Egyptian bondage and led through the wilderness  for  forty wearisome years. But God insisted that they pay with their lives for  committing a  single, high-profile sin as described in Num. 20 and also referred to in several other passages.  

At Meribah, the Israelites had bellyached, as so often before, because in that  arid place they found nothing to  drink.  The Lords response was to tell Moses  and Aaron just to speak to a rock to satisfy their need. Accompanied by a very  large crowd, the two men went to it. There an exasperated Moses exclaimed:  Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? And Moses  lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came  out abundantly, and  the congregation drank, and their beasts also. And the  Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel,  therefore  ye shall  not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. (Num. 20:1012) 

The  Most High had intended this experience to have a great symbolic meaning. The rock pointed forward to the Redeemer, as Paul the great Apostle  explained. The ancient Israelites, he wrote, did all drink the same spiritual  drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Our Lord would be strucksacrificedonly once  and for all, after which the believer only had to ask to be forgiven. Those great leaders had spoiled an important symbol. By striking the rock again, they were  typologically suggesting that the Saviour had to be sacrificed over and over  again, as is now done in the mass. And this the Lord would not tolerate. For just marring a symbolanother sanctuary sinboth Moses and Aaron had to die. 

Modern disobedient ministers, priests, and popes would do well to think on  such things, rather than talk nonsense about the irrelevance of their personal characters to the sacredness of their office. Nothing could be further from what  the Bible teaches. 

Jesus, who was and remains a Jew, remembered. He could not lightly regard  the desecration of the temple. Before his incarnation, he had graced it with his  presence for so many centuries. Its precincts, toothe very approach to it were also holy. It was intolerable to think that Gentile Roman soldiers would boldly thrust their way into and destroy that building, especially since their  people  would  one  day also deny the Saviours  intercession as the only mediator between God and humankind (1 Tim. 2:5) in a heavenly sanctuary. Rome was one day going to set up on earth a gigantic rival system of its own. It would be centered in the so-called sacrifice of the mass, with sinful mortal  priests presuming to act as other Christs.  

III

A Catholic error which Hobbes pointed out in several places is to teach  that the present church now militant on earth is the kingdom of God (that is,  the kingdom of glory or the land of promise; not the kingdom of grace, which is  but a promise of the land). To this are annexed both ecclesiastical rights and  worldly benefits for the clergy, as Gods public ministers.  Further,  if the  church now on earth is the kingdom of Christ, it is also  reasonable  to suppose  that the Lord hath some lieutenant amongst us, by whom we  are  to be  told what are  his commandmentsthe pope! He would, in both religious and  secular matters, be a universal monarch.12 Such and more are the instructive and  thought-provoking ideas of Thomas Hobbes. 

To  this,  we  add  that traditional Catholic eschatology is based on a  misinterpretation of prophecy, beginning with King Nebuchadnezzars  dream,  as recorded in Dan. 2. He  saw  a  great  statue with a head of gold, a chest and  arms of silver, a belly and thighs of bronze, legs of iron, and feet of  iron  and  clay. These materials symbolize the Babylonians, the Persians, the  Greeks,  the  Romans, and the kings of Europe. Also in that dream,  a  stone  cut out without hands came hurtling onto the feet of the image, pulverizing it. Then it grew and  grew until it filled the world. This, as the  Bible  explains and many Protestants  have maintained, represents a future kingdom still to be  set up  by God,  which  shall never be destroyed . . . it shall stand for ever (Dan. 2:44).  

But according to expositors like Augustine of Hippo, the imperial Catholic  Church is the stone shattering all earthly kingdoms, until it fills the entire  earth. Other prophecies have also been fitted into this scheme. The millennium supposedly began  when  Christ was  born, and the New Jerusalem is the eternal city of Rome 13  

 



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Catholicism in theory places its own traditions  on the same level as, but in  practice elevates them above, the Word of God. It even claims to have written it  and that the pope has a monopoly for interpreting it. Let us take up these points  in reverse order, as we find them in  Four Witnesses: The Early Church in Her  Own Words (2002) by Rod Bennett, a recent convert to and apologist for the  Roman Church. 

He said the pontiff was neither  impeccable (incapable of sin) nor the  originator of Biblical teaching.  All the pope is held  to be is an infallible  interpreter of that original revelation, someone who, by the gift of the Holy Ghost, will never say that something is part of the original revelation if it was  not, or subtract something from that original revelation that truly belongs  there.14 How convenient! This preempts all theological debate and stops it in its tracks if it dares to go beyond what the Vatican teaches. 

Bennett then stated that the papacy (in the persons of Peter, Linus, Cletus  [Anacletus], and Clement, at least) actually predates much of the Bible, and certainly predates the final canon of the Bible.15 Apart from the unwarranted  inclusion of the apostles name, we can agree with thisthough Linus and  Anacletus are not known to have strayed beyond the pages of the Word. About Clement, too, there is also not much to say beyond his presumptuous claims to episcopal power, which we have already looked at. But we continue with Bennett: I also learned that the Christian Church had never been based on the  Bible in the first place, but that the Bible had been based on the Churchin the  sense that it was bishops of the Catholic Church who preserved it, who  compiled it, who passed it down through the ages, and who vouched for it to the world.16  

Whoa! This blends together and therefore  confuses two very different things: the individual books  that  constitute the New Testament and its canon.  Neither Linus, nor Anacletus, nor Clement, nor any other  Catholic bishop  ever  wrote an  inspired  part of it. As for canonicity, we basically agree with other  Protestants about the following four  criteria:

 1.  Apostolic Originattributed to and based on the preaching/ teaching of  the first-generation apostles (or their close companions). 

 2.  Universal Acceptanceacknowledged  by all major Christian  communities in the ancient world (by the end of the fourth century). 

 3.  Liturgical Useread publicly when early  Christian communities  gathered for the Lords Supper (their weekly worship services). 

 4.  Consistent Messagecontaining a theological outlook similar  or  complementary to other accepted Christian writings.17 (Emphases added) 

The papacy has effectively elevated its traditions above the Bible, despite its  lip service to the Scriptures. In  this, it also commits the academic sin of  preferring secondary to primary sources. About this, let us explain by referring  to How to Study History (1967) by Norman F. Cantor and Richard I. Schneider.  

To help their students, these professors  made  the  following  elementary distinction, with italics which were all their own. A primary source is a work  that was written at a time that is contemporary or nearly contemporary with the  period or subject being studied.18 The books that make up the New Testament are primary sources. On the other hand, a secondary work for a subject is one  that discusses the subject but is written after the time contemporary with it.19  Cantor and Schneider went on to explain that the difference was to be partly  found in the role of inferences. These are conclusions and judgments about the  primary sources. They also dealt with the phenomenon of  a  writer  who  distorted the significance or meaning of the facts and how this could happen,  when he or she has been opinionated; opinions are personal and individual conclusions, identical in kind to inferences but without any  support or  grounding in fact.20  

All canon assemblers, whether Catholic or not, have only a secondary status. The same is true of the so-called Church Fathers, who were often biased  and opinionated men. Of paramount importance are the individual Scriptures. 

 



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"Some practices  of  the  Roman  Church, like Lent and Purgatory, are not based on the Bible. Often its doctrines contradict what the Word teaches, even  to the extent of changing the Decalogue. For instance, as already shown, some widely used Catholic catechisms (though not Catholic Bibles) have omitted the  Second Commandment, to legitimize idolatry, and abbreviated the Fourth, to  further Sundaykeeping.  

But the papacy does insist, on a certain passage in the Bible, repetitively and with undying fervor: the one that records the Redeemers question: But whom say ye that I am? and Peters answer: Thou art the Christ, the  Son  of  the  living God. To this, the Lord replied with a blessing, to which he added: And  I say unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will  build  my church;  and  the  gates  of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the  keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matt. 16:15-19. 

The  Roman Church maintains  that  these words prove a cluster of doctrines:  the  Primacy of Peter, apostolic succession, and papal infallibility. The Twelve whom Jesus  appointed  supposedly continue through the centuries as Catholic bishops,  headed  by the  pope.  Here is how this dogma is officially stated by the  1983  Codex Iuris Canonici: Can. 330. Just as by the Lords decision Saint Peter and the other Apostles constitute one college, so in a like manner the  Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, and the bishops, the successors of the  Apostles, are united among themselves.21    

By virtue of this office, the pope supposedly also cannot err when he speaks  on matters of faith and morals; for he is the mouthpiece of the Holy Spirit.  From this, it follows furthermore that the supreme pontiff should be free from governmental domination or oversight by any other ruler, for nobody has the  right to judge him.

As Protestants have often pointed out, this interpretation is theologically unsound, as is clear from several awkward facts.  

At the Council of Jerusalem, probably in A.D. 49, it was not Peter who  presided but James (Acts 15:13), Jesus stepbrother. And Paul makes it plain  that his own apostleship was not derived from the Twelve, including Peter, or  any other mere human being. Instead, the Resurrected One made a special trip  from heaven back to planet Earth to confront and call him on the Damascus  road (Acts 9:3-6, 15). Paul could therefore declare that in his ecclesiastical  rank he was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles (2 Cor. 11:5). He  even could and did reprimand Peter, the so-called first pope, for straying  from the truth of the Gospel (Gal. 2:11-14).   

Various writers have discussed the wordplay in the original text: You  are A,JD@H [petros, a stone] and upon this B,JD" [petra, rock] I will build my church (Matt 16:18). The first of these words was the nickname Jesus  gave Peter when they met for the first time. Since they both spoke Aramaic,  it was actually Cephas, but the beloved apostle who recorded the event explained: . . . which is by interpretation, A stone (John 1:42). The word  that the fourth Gospel uses is A,JD@H (petros). When the New Testament  was written, the Greek language did not differentiate between what we  today call small letters and capitals. Therefore, in both these  scriptures,  petrosas an ordinary noun instead of a nameis equally acceptable.   

But nowhere does the Bible call Peter a B,JD" (petra). This word is only applied to the Redeemer himself. The apostle Paul, citing ancient Israels  desert wanderings to illustrate the experience of the  Christian church,  is  unequivocal  with this  identification: and that Rock [B,JD", petra] was  Christ (1 Cor. 10:4).   

The rock on which the church was to be built was therefore not Peter but his confession: Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Yet shortly afterwards, in the same chapter, as  soon  as that fallible apostle deviated  from the Saviours teaching about  his death on the cross  and  the  resurrection, the Lord repudiated him and addressed him as Satan (Matt. 16:21-23). 

In the Gospel according to Mark, the parallel account contains a highly  significant clause: And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must  suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests,  and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spoke that  openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. But when he had  turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee  behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the  things that be of men. (Mark 8:31-33, emphasis added.) 

Why did the Saviour look so knowingly at the other apostles? By his  body language, he was telling them: I want you all to notice this. When a  disciple confesses me aright, in word and deed, he or she is inspired by my heavenly Father. But any person whose profession or behavior contradicts  my teaching or will is inspired by Satan. The same would also apply to the  pope. 

The apostle Paul, in his letter to the Galatians,  put this  even more  strongly: I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you  into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there  be some that trouble you, and would  pervert the  gospel of  Christ.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than  that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said  before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you  than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal. 1:6-9)  

He was most indignant because the Galatians were deviating from the  teaching of righteousness by faith, which would one day become the central  doctrine for the Protestant Reformation. This is brought out clearly in the  second  chapter  of  the  same epistle. It is within this context that Paul rebuked his colleague, the apostle Peter, in public for compromising with Judaizers. A Christians main doctrine must always be that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. (Gal. 2:416).  

 



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V

Peter, moreover, was not the first person, the first human being, or even  the first of the Twelve to confess the Lord Jesus as both the Messiah and the  Son of God.  

This privilege  belonged  to the  angel Gabriel, who in heaven stands by the throne of the Most High. Sent by the Almighty himself, he announced to the virgin Mary that she  was to become the mother of  Jesus.  He  would  be  called the Son of God and one day sit on Davids throne. And he  shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be  no  end. (Luke 1:31-35). These words echo the explanation of  Nebuchadnezzars dream by the prophet Daniel about the rock that would  eventually replace all merely human governments: And in the days of these kings,  shall the  God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be  destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these  kingdoms,  and it shall stand for ever. (Dan.  2:44).  

The mighty Gabriel had been used by the Lord to communicate with Daniel (Dan. 8:16, 17; 9:21, 22; 10:10-14). Six centuries later, he  spoke  to Mary, the mother of the Messiah, the Son of God. He was also no  doubt the  bright and  shining angel of the Lord who appeared to the frightened  shepherds  at Jesus  birth  and  said to them: Fear not: for, behold, I bring  you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For  unto  you  is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which  is Christ the Lord.  (Luke 2:9-11, emphasis added) 

Thirty years afterward, the divine kinship of the Messiah, the Incarnate One, was again proclaimed at his baptism, this time by the Father himself.  And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened,  and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice  from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased  (Mark 1:10, 11).  

His testimony was immediately taken up  by John  the  Baptist, the  Redeemers forerunner, the greatest prophet who ever lived (Luke 7:2428).  He not only announced that Jesus was the Messiah, the Lamb of God but said: And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God (John 1:34). 

From the outset, the fallen, evil angels likewise knew all too well exactly  who he was, although in the wilderness of temptation Satan tried to make  him doubt himself and sin with the taunting words: If thou be the son of  God . . . (Matt. 4: 3, 6, emphasis added). To embarrass him, demons early sought to reveal his double identity as Messiah and the Holy One in public.  For instance, they did so one Sabbath in the synagogue at Capernaum and,  that evening, outside Peters house, while he was healing a large number of  people. Of the latter occasion we read: And devils also came out of many,  crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking  them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ. (Luke  4:34-35, 41) 

Of the apostles, it was Nathanael, not Peter, who when Jesus called him first exclaimed: Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel  (John 1:49). In fact, all of the Twelve (even Judas Iscariot) knew he was the  Christthe  Messiahand  acknowledged his divinity before Peters  confession. This happened on a storm-tossed boat that was  about to sink,  before the Lord came walking toward them on the lake of Galilee and saved  them. After he had quietened the wind, they  that were in the ship came and  worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God (Matt. 14:33). 

That all these  men acknowledged not only his divinity but also his  messianic mission was brought out clearly just a day later.  Many of  the  fickle multitudeoffended by his teachinghad turned against  him, whereupon Jesus asked the Twelve: Will ye also go away? Then Simon  Peter answered him, Lord to whom shall  we go? thou hast the words of  eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art Christ, the Son of the  living God. (John 6:66-69, emphasis added) Though  Peter  on  this occasion, too, was the spokesman, it was a communal declaration of faith.  And it was uttered before his personal confession recorded in Matt. 16:1519, which the champions of Petrine Primacy are so fond of quoting. 

This is clear  from the context of the two utterances. The group  confession by the Twelve is recorded in Chapter 6 of the Gospel according  to John and was made about twenty-four hours after the Lord had multiplied  the five loaves and two fishes (vv. 9-13). Peters individual confession  followed the second multiplication, of seven loaves. Jesus, had warned the  apostles against the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees, by which he  meant their doctrine. At first, they were too literal-minded and did not grasp his meaning, so he asked them: Do ye not yet understand,  neither  remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? Neither the seven loaves of the four  thousand,  and  how  many baskets ye took up? (Matt. 16:9-10) It was  after  this that the  great confession was personalized and Peter reiterated it.

As for the keys of the kingdom, the Saviour clarified that these were not the preserve of a single human being. Shortly after speaking about them to Peter, he showed that the idea of authority applied to the entire church at  every, even the most local level: Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be  bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as  touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father  which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them (Matt. 18:18-20). The unspoken  proviso was, of course, that such believers had to act within and  not contrary to the will of God. For Protestants, this means that none of their  decisions in church matters should conflict with what the Bible teaches. 

Jesus also specially called the Twelve to him to warn them against trying to dominate one another: You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it  over them, and their great men exercise authority over them. It shall not be  so among you; but whoever would be great among  you  must be  your  servant, and whoever would be first among you must be your slave. (Matt. 20:2527, RSV). 

Legitimately there could be no lording of one apostle over the other or one bishop over another. And this passage about earthly rulers also brings to mind the need for defining exactly what Jesus meant when he  spoke  of  the  kingdom.  He was not referring to, nor should  he  be construed to have  meant, dominion in a secular sense on this planet. As he was soon to say to Pilate, the Roman governor who tried and finally condemned him: My kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36).   

From its context in the Gospel narrative, we observe that the apostolic  confession, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matt. 16:16),  was also expressed a short time later and in almost exactly those words by a  very different person: Caiaphas, the high priest, at Jesus  trial by the  Sanhedrin. That odious Jewish pontiff said unto him, I adjure thee by the  living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.  When  the  Saviour  complied and answered: Thou has said, it clinched  their case against him. Thereupon the leaders of his people condemned him to death for blasphemy. (Matt. 26:63-66)  

Immediately after Peter in the coasts of Caesarea Philippi had uttered the  famous formula  to which papalists appeal so persistently, the Lord commanded  his  disciples  to tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ  (Matt. 16:20); but so far as the Saviours earthly fate was concerned it was  too late. The Scribes and the Pharisees already knew who he was. For three  and a half years, they had progressively rejected the mounting evidence  provided by his works as well as his words; and now, in the stubborn pride  of opinion and self-deceit, they voted to kill their Messiah, the Creator Godthough this did not automatically make the entire Jewish nation  culpable. 

 



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The identity of the rock to which Jesus referred was clearly revealed by Paul. This great theologian of the New Testament said the church was built  on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being  the chief cornerstone (Eph. 2:20). Not on one apostle, not even only on all the apostles, but on the prophets as well; and the chief cornerstone is not  Peter but the Redeemer himself. 

Besides, the man to whose authority the Roman Church appeals was a  Palestinian Jew and not a Gentile, as every pope has always been. Peter was  not a bishop, a title that the New Testament never applied to the apostles,  who had a higher rank; but if he were he didquite unlike the Catholic pontiffsmeet one necessary episcopal qualification: he was the husband  of one wife (1 Tim. 3:2). 

As for the theory of apostolic succession, the  Bible  says  absolutely  nothing about it. That is, the Twelve could not hand down or transfer their  prerogatives to anybody else. Some papal apologists have argued that they could,  according  to Acts 1:15-26. This passage tells how at Peters  suggestion a substitute was found for Judas Iscariot, who had betrayed his 

Lord.  

A  single  verse  destroys their argument; it specifies the basic  qualification of the man the apostles needed to appoint: Beginning from the  baptism of  John,  unto  that same day that he was taken up from us, must one  be  ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection (vs. 22). Two  candidates were nominated: Joseph  called Barsabas, who was surnamed  Justus, and Matthias. The latter was appointed by casting lots.  

The Twelve as eyewitnesses of and participating in Jesus  earthly  ministry,  were  unique  and  historically unrepeatable. There can never be  another band of brothers like them: Peter, James, John, and the rest. On  earth,  they were the Redeemers special companions. He even promised that  in  the world to come they would be his co-rulers, sitting on thrones to judge  the  twelve  tribes of Israel and eating at his table (Matt. 19:28; Luke 22:30).  And their names will forever be inscribed on the foundations of  the  New  Jerusalem (Rev. 21:14). 

Nothing  of  all this could  be  applied to or has ever been true of any bishop, archbishop, cardinal, or pope. None of  them was  an  eyewitness  of  the Resurrection. Apostolic succession is a myth. A vast gap yawns between those verses in Matt. 16 in their  original  setting and their  later,  Catholic  accretions.  

VII

To  see how the conception of Petrine Primacy developed, we need to look  at papal history through the lens of prophecy. First we inquire  just when  this doctrine first appeared and in what form.  Specifically,  did the earliest Church  Fathers believe in it?

A startling answer has come from that historically knowledgeable ex-Jesuit professor of the Vaticans  Gregorian  University and married former priest  (who yet considered himself a loyal Catholic), Peter De Rosa. Commenting on Matt. 16:18Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my churchhe  said that none  of  the  early Church Fathers had seen a connection between this text and the pope.  

Not one of them applies Thou art Peter  to anyone  but Peter.  One  after  another they analyse it: Cyprian [200258], Origen [c. 185c. 254], Cyril [c.  315386?], Hilary [c. 315c. 367], Jerome [c. 347419/420], Ambrose  [339397],  Augustine  [354430]. They are not exactly Protestants. Not one  of  them calls the Bishop of Rome a Rock or applies to him specifically the  promise  of the Keys. This is as staggering to Catholics as if they were to find no mention in the Fathers of the  Holy  Spirit  or the  resurrection of the  dead.22

De Rosa went on to say: For the Fathers, it is Peters faithor the Lord in whom Peter has faithwhich is called the Rock, not Peter and Perhaps  this is why not one of the Fathers speaks of a transference of power from Peter to those who succeed him; not one speaks, as church documents do  today, of an inheritance. There is no hint of an abiding Petrine office. In so  far  as  the  Fathers speak of an office,  the reference is to the episcopate in general. All bishops are successors to all the apostles.23 

This harmonizes with A Treatise  on the Power and Primacy of the  Pope (1537), largely written by Luthers friend and successor, Philip  Melanchthon  (14971560), but also signed by the other theologians  assembled at Smalkald. It appears in  The Book of Concord, which contains  the Lutheran Confessions.   

In paragraphs 26-28,  Melanchthon  stated that unlike the Levitical  priesthood, the New Testament ministry was not bound to places and  persons. It was dispersed throughout the whole world, and is there where  God gives his gifts, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers; neither does this  ministry avail on account of the authority of any person, but on account of  the Word given by Christ. . . . And in this way, not as referring to the  person of Peter, most of the holy Fathers, as Origen, Cyprian, Augustine,  Hilary and Bede interpret this passage: Upon this Rock. To which  Melanchthon added a testimony of another early Church Father, the sainted  Chrysostom (347407, Archbishop of Constantinople from 398): Upon  this rock, not upon Peter. For He built His Church not upon man, but upon  the faith of Peter.24 

On  this topic,  we  find Paul Johnson, a reputable Catholic historian,  even more interesting than De Rosa or, for that matter, Melanchthon. He  said that Rome was exerting its authority over other churches as early as  the second century. This it was certainly trying  to do,  amongst other  things because as the capital city of the Empire it enjoyed a natural priority  and exerted the pagan influences mentioned by Hobbes.  

But Johnson also stated that what he called the Petrine text did not . . .  play any part before c. 250.25 He showed that the doctrine based on it went hand in hand with the cult of the great fishermans body, together with that of the other famous apostle who was martyred in Rome. Pope Gregory I,  the Great (c. 540604, reigned from 590), who lived considerably later,  wrote a letter to the empress saying: The bodies of the apostles Peter and  Paul glitter with such great miracles and awe that no one can go to pray  there  without considerable fear. He related two anecdotes of workmen  dying after being too near the bodies. As with the tomb of Tutankhamen,  proximity might prove fatal. . . . Everyone believed that St Peter was there,  in a physical sense. He dominated all the activities of his see. His remains  guarded his rights, and struck down those who tried to usurp them.26 This  was and remains a cult of dead bodies or related relics, together with a  spiritualistic element. The analogy of Tutankhamen is most apt.

Moreover, according to Johnson, it was only in the eighth century that  the full importance of St Peters connection with Rome began to be fully  understood and proclaimed. As Peters reputation and continuing power  swelled, what more natural than that men should believe that previous ages  had  acknowledged  it, not merely in theory but in a highly practical manner?  (Emphasis  added.) This brings us down to that spurious letter  from Constantine to Pope Sylvester, of which Johnson said: Like many other Christian forgeries, this was very likely a sincere attempt by clerks in the  papal chancery to document a transaction which they had convinced  themselves had actually taken place.  . . . At a stroke  it  proffered  the  keystone needed to complete the arch of the  total  Christian society.27  Indeed, indeed! 

The greater carefulness of recent Catholic writers who relate these  matters needs to be set beside the way in which former  co-religionists  kept on projecting papal primacy back into the first century, sometimes with wild abandon.  

A blatant example jumps out  at  the  reader  of  Geschichte der Religion  Jesu Christi (History of the Religion of Jesus Christ), which was published  in Vienna during 1817. Its author, Friedrich Leopold von Stolberg (1750 1819),  was  a  German nobleman and minor poet who converted to Catholicism in 1800. His final work  was  the  immense  Geschichte in  fifteen volumes completed over twelve years, which  covered  the  development of Christianity up until the year 430.28   

Von Stolberg told how in A.D. 70 Titus and his legions destroyed  Jerusalem as Gods terrible judgment over the degenerated seed of Abraham according to the flesh. He then turned his eye to Abrahams seed according  to the spirit, the church of Jesus Christ. Having glanced at the martyrdom of  Peter and Paul, he asserted that after this the Lord provided a new supreme  shepherd in the person of Saint Linus, who supposedly reigned from A.D. 64  or 67 to his death in 76 or 79. In fact, these apostles were both, as von Stolberg  had it, the channel for doing so.29 It was certain, he said, that he followed Saint Peter in a dual capacity, as Bishop of Rome and as supreme head of the  entire church. According to him, this pope was the Statthalter des Sohnes  Gottes auf Erden (the vicar of the Son of God on earth).30

But there is nothing certain about it. As his authority for the idea that Linus succeeded Peter, von Stolberg quoted Irenaeus  (c.  120/140c.  200/203). Although the  Catholic Encyclopaedia of 1910 upheld him in this, it also cited Tertullian (c. 155/160after 220), who unquestionably  places St. Clement (De praescriptione, xxii) after the Apostle Peter, as was  also done later by other Latin scholars (Jerome, De vir. ill., xv).31 By  1997, so much doubt had  accumulated  about Linus that the most Paul  Johnson had to say about him was: Probably an historical person, but still  not technically a bishop.32    Von  Stolbergs  Statthalter  des Sohnes Gottes auf Erden was  anachronistic, an expression which clearly echoes the Donation; for that title never appeared in an earlier source. But it is even more fascinating how he extolled the sanctity of this Linus, who allegedly obtained that  position at a time when apostles and apostolic men were still alive.33 In  other words, a Roman prelate was elevated above them, appointed even  over the beloved John, who wrote the Apocalypse and survived to about

A.D. 100. What nonsense! 



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Having established that Petrine Primacy as understood today is not taught by  the  New Testament, and for the next few centuries did not feature in the  Church Fathers  to whom Catholicism attributes great authority, let us now trace  its true development down to the  time of the Donation, when it reached  its final form.  

In the first century, Clement of Rome, already referred to as a very early  pope, laid no claim to Petrine Primacy. He also failed  to quote  the  words  which the papacy would eventually love to dwell on to the exclusion  of  very much else in the Bible: Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build  my church . . . . And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of  heaven . . . . (Matt. 16:18, 19). Why did Clement not use this argument to call himself at least the vicar of Christ?

He  could not do so,  for  that particular title did not yet exist. Even the  word  vicar began as a purely secular term, which came into prominence  during the fourth century. Diocletian, a pagan who ruled over the Roman  Empire and persecuted Christians, sought to shore up his tottering realm by restructuring it into four major territories with various subdivisions.  

To describe these, he used the word  diocese,  which politically  designated an area, governed by an imperial vicar.34 About this, we also  read  that in the Roman Empire as reorganized by Emperor Diocletian  (reigned 284-305), the vicarius was an important official, and the title even remained in use for secular officials in the Middle Ages. In the Roman  Catholic Church, vicar of Christ became the special designation of the  popes starting in the 8th century, and eventually it replaced the older title  of vicar of St. Peter.35 

The latter statement referred to the time of the Donation. Vicar of Christ does not, however, appear in that document, and its exclusive appropriation  by the pope took centuries to accomplish. 

It is true that even in pagan times the ambitious Bishop of Rome desired  and  strove  after  primacy,  but those who headed the other churches,  centered in Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandriaapart from the later  Constantinoplecould safely disagree with him, resisting his pretensions.  He did not have the Bible on his side, and his claim was unenforceable  before the emperors accepted Christianity. 

As for Clement of Rome, it is true that numerous Clementine writings  were at various times added to his letter. He has been credited with the  transmitting to the church of the Ordinances of the Holy Apostles Through  Clement  (Apostolic Constitutions), which, reputedly drafted by the  Apostles, is the largest collection of early Christian ecclesiastical law.  These, alas, are now believed, however, to have been written in Syria c. 380.36another of the numerous forgeries with which pious clerics have  striven, century after century, to validate error.  

Papal apologists have therefore had to skip down from Clement of  Rome to Clement of Alexandria (c. 150c. 215), and specifically the  latters Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? written in A.D. 200.37 But a full  century of ever-increasing theological darkness separated these two men.  

Clement of Alexandria, principal of the Catechetical School in that city,  who fled from his post when persecution threatened during A.D. 202, was a  highly problematic theologian. Formerly a philosopher, he did not after his  conversion give up but retained his love for ancient pagan  writers  like  Plato. Using heathenish allegorical methods, he mingled their ideas with Christianity.  

At that time, solar syncretism was also biting more deeply into the  church  at Rome, with greater emphasis on Sunday observance. A  determined proponent was Pope Victor I (d. 199, reigned from 189). It irked  him that churches  in Asia Minor kept on observing Easter on 14  Nisan according to the Jewish lunar calendar. Known for this reason as  Quartodecimans (Fourteenthers), they saw no reason for obeying his plea  that it should always be on a Sunday. After all, in the East, they still largely  rested on the seventh-day Sabbath according to the Ten Commandments. 

What was Victors response? He excommunicated  Polycrates  (the  bishop of Ephesus) and other bishops of Asia Minor.38  

For this, the pontiff encountered stiff opposition from Irenaeus (c.  120/140c. 200/300), bishop at Lugdunum (Lyon) in Gaul and the most eminent theologian of his day. He had been born of Greek parents in Asia Minor,  and historical sources testify to a close cultural connection between Asia Minor and southern France (the Rhône Valley) during the  2nd century. He persuaded the pontiff to withdraw his excommunication.  Mediating between the parties, Irenaeus stated that differences in external  factors,  such  as  dates  of  festivals, need not be so serious as to destroy church unity.39 And Quartodeciman practices continued in Asia Minor  for several centuries.40  

Martin Luther, writing in 1537, put it more  strongly. He  said that Irenaeus reprimanded Pope Victor. Furthermore, as the Reformer pointed  out, Irenaeus was not a priest at Rome but of another church in another  country. Therefore, the pontiff did not at that time have  the  authority claimed for him in later centuries via the spurious Donation41 or otherwise. Quite so,  and we add that Victor had no secular backup to enforce his  decisions, since in those days the emperor was a pagan. 

As for the seminary professor Clement of Alexandria, we note that with his  approach  to the  Bible  and syncretism, he also polluted the mind of  Origen (c. 185254), his Egyptian student. This precocious young man,  seminary professor and amazingly prolific writer, succeeded Clement as  head of the Catechetic School. Though at different times condemned as a  heretic, Origen bequeathed to Catholics and otherseven  many Protestantsa destructive legacy.42 By his methodology, it is possible to make anything in the Scriptures mean anything  else.  This has  also  strongly affected the interpretation of prophecy.  Present-day Idealism owes much to  him.

Some Catholic apologists quote Origen for his alleged early support of  Peters Primacy,43  although, as indicated, both Melanchthon and  De  Rosa  expressed a contrary opinion. 

IX

In those days and from its earliest period, even before it  became  an  empire,  Rome was a pagan theocracy. In A.D. 312, Constantine (c.  287-337) was  suddenly converted. At the battle of the Milvian Bridge, he added Christ to  his pantheon, which soon was to lay the groundwork for a Catholic-Orthodox  theocracy, resulting in the fatal alliance between Caesar and Pope, Throne and Altar.  At first, however,  this royal convert, in agreement with his rival Licinius, issued the Edict of Milan, which decreed that everyone should be  allowed to have his own beliefs and worship as he wishes. Such tolerance,  however, was never accepted by the Catholic church. Truth, she insisted, can  never be compromised. Hence whenever she was in control, she  denied  freedom of religion to others.44 

In the fourth century, however, she was not the mistress of her own  destiny but subject to the emperor. Constantine retained as  many as  possible  of the prerogatives that he had inherited from his heathen  predecessors. Like them, he was still the  Pontifex Maximus  (supreme  pontiff), a title which he never relinquished.45  He  also added further  titles: Bishop of Bishops and Vicarius Christi (Vicar of Christ).46 The lastmentioned was brand new. The word vicarius came from the system that  the pagan Diocletian had created just a few years earlier to describe the  civil divisions of the empire; but now it began to acquire  religious  overtones. Constantine also called himself the Thirteenth Apostle.47 During  his final years, he came to be known as Isapostolos (Equal of the apostles),  and he had himself buried in the Church of the Holy Apostles amid a dozen  sarcophagi.48 

In his new role, Constantine necessarily gave up the older imperial practice  of being described or addressed as Dominus et Deus (Lord and God), but he  still insisted on the obsequious ceremonial that Diocletian had introduced.  When Constantine died, the senate nevertheless declared him divus, a  god.49    That he was the first vicar of Christ, a title also subsequently borne by other emperors who followed him on the throne, may amaze some readers,  yet twentieth-century canon lawyers have conceded this to have been the  case.50 But did Constantine recognize the primacy of the Roman pontiff,  handing over to him those many western landsas his alleged Donation  states? Of course he did not, nor would he have dared to do so; such an act would have provoked rebellion among his heirs and troops. 

 



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