Ezekiel 9

Date: May 10, 2014

Ezekiel 9

Date: May 10, 2014

Godsloveandlaw wrote:
Is this prophecy to be literal or symbolic?

it is literal but AFTER the COP

Date: May 10, 2014

Give me some Scripture and SOP, thanks.

Date: May 11, 2014

Ezekiel 9:

1 ¶ He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writers inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writers inkhorn by his side;

4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5 ¶ And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.

10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

( slaughter weapons = 6 hits )

The true people of God, who have the spirit of the work of the Lord and the salvation of souls at heart, will ever view sin in its real, sinful character. They will always be on the side of faithful and plain dealing with sins which easily beset the people of God. Especially in the closing work for the church, in the sealing time of the one hundred and forty-four thousand who are to stand without fault before the throne of God, will they feel most deeply the wrongs of God's professed people. This is forcibly set forth by the prophet's illustration of the last work under the figure of the men each having a slaughter weapon in his hand. One man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side. "And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof." {3T 266.2}

Who are standing in the counsel of God at this time? Is it those who virtually excuse wrongs among the professed people of God and who murmur in their hearts, if not openly, against those who would reprove sin? Is it those who take their stand against them and sympathize with those who commit wrong? No, indeed! Unless they repent, and leave the work of Satan in oppressing those who have the burden of the work and in holding up the hands of sinners in Zion, they will never receive the mark of God's sealing approval. They will fall in the general destruction of the wicked, represented by the work of the five men bearing slaughter weapons. Mark this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those "that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done" in the church. Their love for purity and the honor and glory of God is such, and they have so clear a view of the exceeding sinfulness of sin, that they are represented as being in agony, even sighing and crying. Read the ninth chapter of Ezekiel. {3T 267.1}

But the general slaughter of all those who do not thus see the wide contrast between sin and righteousness, and do not feel as those do who stand in the counsel of God and receive the mark, is described in the order to the five men with slaughter weapons: "Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary." {3T 267.2}

In the case of Achan's sin God said to Joshua: "Neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you." How does this instance compare with the course pursued by those who will not raise their voice against sin and wrong, but whose sympathies are ever found with those who trouble the camp of Israel with their sins? Said God to Joshua: "Thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you." He pronounced the punishment which would follow the transgression of His covenant. {3T 267.3}

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repeat - {RH, September 23, 1873 pars. 5 and 6}

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repeat - {RH, June 8, 1886 pars. 2 and 3}

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( linen writers inkhorn ) = 12 Hits

1. {CET 185.2}

2. {EW 279.2}

3. I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer's inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, "It is done."--EW 279 (1858). {LDE 229.1}

Only a moment of time, as it were, yet remains. But while already nation is rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom, there is not now a general engagement. As yet the four winds are held until the servants of God shall be sealed in their foreheads. Then the powers of earth will marshal their forces for the last great battle.--6T 14 (1900). {LDE 229.2}

4. {Mar 242.5} read {Mar 242.1-8}

5. {SR 402.2} read {SR 395.3 - 410.2}

6. {3T 266.2} read 3T Chapter 27 - The Laodicean Church p - 252.1 - 293.1

7. {5T 207.3} read 5T Chap. 24 - The Seal of God P - 207.2 - 216.2

8. {TM 431.3} read Chap. 16 - Elevate the Standard {TM 426.1 - 456.3}

9. {RH, September 23, 1873 par. 4} read September 23, 1873 The Laodicean Church. {RH, September 23, 1873 par. 1 - 30} > to be continued The Laodicean Church {RH, September 30, 1873 par. 1 - 19} > to be concluded October 7, 1873 The Laodicean Church. {RH, October 7, 1873 par. 1 - 18}

10. {RH, June 8, 1886 par. 1}

11. {RH, May 21, 1895 par. 4}

12. {PH096 17.1}

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( sigh* and that cry* = 130 hits )

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( general ruin = 59 Hits )

Fearing Godhow little of it there is! . . . There are those who will be like the men and women who helped to build the ark. They hear the truth; they have every advantage to become people of moral worth, yet they will not choose the good society, but the corrupt. If there is an influence that is not heavenly, they will gather to their side and unite with them, and although they act a part in the preparation of the truth that is to fit a people to stand in the day of the Lord, they will perish in the general ruin like Noahs carpenters who helped to build the ark. God help you that you may not be of that class.Letter 36, 1887 (Manuscript Releases, vol. 18, pp. 260-262). {CTr 95.5}

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( conflagration* = 62 hits )

Christ warned His disciples of the destruction of Jerusalem as well as of the temple. This event was foretold by Daniel. The oblations and sacrifices were no more of value, for type had reached anti-type in the one great oblation. . . . {CTr 353.2}

When Christ referred to the destruction of Jerusalem, His prophetic words reached beyond that event to the final conflagration that will take place in that day when the Lord rises out of His place to punish the world for their iniquity, when the earth shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain. This entire chapter is a warning to those who shall live in the last scenes of this earths history. {CTr 353.3}

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( third angel seal = 20 hits )

Date: May 11, 2014

We are now surely coming close to the brink of the time of Ezekiel 9. It is a warning to be heeded to the letter and His faithful must be about giving it! EGW has much to say of this and here is a bit more.

"The Lord reads the heart as an open book. The men who are not connected with God have done many things after the imagination of their own evil hearts. The Lord declares concerning them, "They have turned unto Me their back, and not the face, though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them; yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction." We are amid the perils of the last days, the time will soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter. Study also the tenth chapter which represents the hand of God as at work to bring perfect method and harmonious working into all the operations of his prepared instrumentalities. The eleventh and twelfth chapters also should receive critical, thoughtful attention. Let these prophecies be studied on your knees before God; unless you take up the stumbling-blocks which by your own perverse spirit you have laid in the way of many who have been connected with you, God will turn His face utterly from you and your associates. {1888 1303.1}

True religion is the imitation of Christ. Those who follow Christ will deny self; take up the cross, and walk in his footsteps. Following Christ means obedience in all his commandments. No soldier can be said to follow his commander unless he obeys orders. Christ is our Model. To copy Jesus, full of love and tenderness and compassion, will require that we draw near to Him daily. O how God has been dishonored by his professed representatives! The first three chapters of Hebrews are presented to me as of great importance to enlighten the eyes and to direct the life. {1888 1303.2}

The Lord God of Israel demands an altogether deeper piety than has been manifested by those who have been placed in positions of sacred trust in the Review & Herald office and in the management of the great work in connection with the cause of God. If these men are not under the special influence of the Spirit of God, if they do not recognize his voice, they will work after their own imagination, and will set in operation plans that will be entirely contrary to the mind and Spirit of God, and that will counteract the work of God. {1888 1304.1}

In Hebrews it is stated of Christ that He was exalted above his associates because he loved righteousness and hated iniquity. Righteousness is simply loving and doing that which is just and right to every soul with whom we have to do. Iniquity means perverting the right. Crooked practices, selfish plans, are instituted, that self and certain ones may be benefited while in order to secure these ends, others are oppressed. All this is robbery toward God and toward man. True principles are forsaken; things are twisted out of God's line in order to gratify selfishness. Wrong means turning things out of the straight lines in which God designs they should go. Fraud is a transgression of God's commandments and all who profess to be Christians, and do not obey the commandments of God, misrepresent the character of Jesus. Those who believe the truth for this time will practice it voluntarily, at any cost to themselves. Sound doctrines will be represented by sound practice. {1888 1304.2}

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Date: May 11, 2014

Especially in the closing work for the church, in the sealing time of the one hundred and forty-four thousand who are to stand without fault before the throne of God, will they feel most deeply the wrongs of God's professed people. This is forcibly set forth by the prophet's illustration of the last work under the figure of the men each having a slaughter weapon in his hand. One man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side. "And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof." {3T 266.2}

Ok now we are on to something. Notice that the closing work FOR the church not BY the church is the sealing of the 144,000. In other words, the sealing of the 144,000 within the SDA church is the closing work.

let's go to Rev. 7, where we find the sealing of the 144,000. Notice it comes before the winds are let loose. Now what do the winds represent? In Test. for the Church, vol. 5, p.152, we see the Inspiration says it is the mark of the beast system--the Sunday law. While it also represents worldly strife, it most especially represents the Sunday law. This fact is cleary realized because the Sunday law has to be held back prior to the sealing because if not, it would hinder the sealing of the saints.

So what dos that tell us --Ezekiel 9 happens BEFORE the Sunday law-- very solemn and alarming!

Date: May 12, 2014

Excellent, and very sober quotes.

I request you, "Anonymous", to please put something in the "Name" field in your posts please. This allows all of us to follow who it is we are replying to, plus it is friendlier smile Gibs, if you could select all the writing in your post just before posting, and increase the font size, it would be easier to read. But maybe I'm the only one with fading eyes here.... Sure do appreciate everyone's contributions!

So it looks like there will be a literal slaughter in the SDA church right before the finishing of the sealing of the 144,000. And yet we know that the Sunday Law is part of the deciding to receive the Seal of God, or not, isn't it? So does the sealing of the 144,000 finish at the start of the Sunday Law, or what?

Date: May 12, 2014

Godsloveandlaw wrote:
Is this prophecy to be literal or symbolic?

it is literal and will happen after the COP... the battle is against principalities and it is a spiritual battle... Those that have the latter rain will be sealed and do their work of spreading the 3AM through out the world.... after that, the wicked will be slain by evil forces working through evil men...this is your slaughter after the close

it is a shepherd's rod teaching that wants to kill off the remnant before the close of probation and they use this scripture to justify their views... but EGW clearly says that this is not so...

Date: May 13, 2014

"So it looks like there will be a literal slaughter in the SDA church right before the finishing of the sealing of the 144,000. And yet we know that the Sunday Law is part of the deciding to receive the Seal of God, or not, isn't it? So does the sealing of the 144,000 finish at the start of the Sunday Law, or what?"

Very good observation. Yes, the Sunday law is part of the sealing process, however, that is involving the "great multitude" sealing AFTER the church has been purified per Ezekiel 9. You see, we all know that our current church is over run with tares. In the parable of the Wheat and the Tares, the Lord shows that the "tares' are removed from the Wheat are put in His "barn" which shall be His last day purified church (without sinners).

The 144,000 are those who survive the church judgment and are then sent to the world to gather in the great multitude. Please read Isaiah chapter 66, verse 15 to 21. Notice the "slayed" are by the Lord and that those who "escape" are sent to the world (Gentiles) to bring in brethren for His glory. This is just one quote from dozens showing the church purification very soon to happen.

Right now we have church leaders that allow so many abominations with our church. We even allow "abortions upon demand" with many of our SDA hospitals.

Notice who will ONLY BE ALLOWED to be a part of the soon to come "Loud CRY" -- "Only those who have withstood temptation in the strength of the Mighty One, WILL--BE--PERMITTED to act a part in proclaiming it (The 3rd angel's message) when it shall have swelled into a Loud Cry." (Review and Herald, Nov. 19, 1908)

Ellen White said that Ezekiel 9 WILL BE performed "to the very letter" see 1888 Materials, page 1303.

This quote from NB is assinine --"it is a shepherd's rod teaching that wants to kill off the remnant before the close of probation and they use this scripture to justify their views..." That is an outright lie!! Obviously NB knows nothing about what the Srod teaches except rumors or bits and pieces of false information. See Wikipedia article for excellent researched info on the Shepherd's Rod.

For those of you who would like to read our weekly updated "present truth" blog see www.godlsoveandlaw.wordpress.com

"Let us strive with all power God has given us to be among the one hundred and forty four thousand." (R and H, March 9, 1905)

Date: May 14, 2014

I do not follow the teachings of any of the church structure of men today as why would I do that when I have the greatest Teacher there is and ever has been. I am an original SDA who were in and of His True Church that He only can build. Man cannot build God His Church!

He Jesus Christ only is it's Head and who has promised me and all who will come and invite Him in. He tells all, "He will guide you into all Truth and shew you things to come! Yes it is a must that Christ be in us, the one and only hope of Glory!

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

I have not delved into the teachings of the Shepherd's Rods or the Davidians and have no need to.

Christ is in for sure the 144,000 and an unknown number which today is not a very big number. We are not the judge, we if we do have the truth are to go about teaching it. Warriors for Christ battling all the false teachings.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Date: May 14, 2014

Your website is "Godsloveandlaw", yet you show little love in your post to NB.

I know that NB is close to the truth in what she wrote. In my studies, I see where the Shepherd's Rod believes that they will be the ones with the physical slaughtering weapons to "clean house" in the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

Your vehement reply makes me think that perhaps you are affiliated with the Shepherd's Rod....

Date: May 14, 2014

Godsloveandlaw,

Much of what you post we can agree with as we all here are reformers also of the apostasies that have come in.

I find the trouble is, we find the Shepherd's Rod movement is an apostate one as were the Branch Davidians.

We well know that judgment begins at the house of God. Also we well know the fate of the false teachers that loose souls to Satan.

2Pe 2:1 ¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Verse 2Pe 2:1 He foretells them of false teachers, shewing the impiety and punishment both of them and their followers; Verse7 from which the godly shall be delivered, as Lot was out of Sodom; Verse 10 and more fully describes the manners of those profane and blasphemous seducers, whereby they may be the better known, and avoided.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

When He is in you then you are one who has The Spirit of Truth!

Date: May 14, 2014

The slaughter brought up is under the Third Angel brought up by Godsloveandlaw. Here is the read.

Re 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Re 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Re 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Re 14:13 ¶ And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Re 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Re 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Re 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Re 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Re 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Re 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Re 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Date: May 14, 2014

I've not thot of correlating Ezekiel 9 with Revelation 14 before.... Sorry that I still don't see it hmm

Can you help make it clearer for me, Gibs?

PS: Thanks for making your font bigger!!

Date: May 15, 2014

Godsloveandlaw was telling of slaughter of the church. Well judgment does begin at the house of God and I find nothing of a literal slaughter of people in Adventism over any other that are apostate.

So I placed of where the slaughter at the end will come from and we are right there, so I do not see it out of place here. The time of the end is when the big slaughter begins. The hour now is very late, very late!

And yes I do believe Martyrdom may even have begun again and then we can know when the deadly wound of Re 13: as then the deadly wound is healed when it can begin again without recompense. Are we there now? Some believe so. It may be true but can we set a dead on positive date? No, for the simple reason that only God knows when is a true Saint of His that is.

I do not believe Martyrdom is the slaughter we are concerned with here.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Date: May 15, 2014

Gibs, thanks for your response. However I must comment on these words you said --" I have not delved into the teachings of the Shepherd's Rods or the Davidians and have no need to."

First, there are no such thing as "Shepherd's Rods". That is a mis-nomer. There are Davidians, which are NOT Branch Davidians (Koresh, etc.)

Secondly, I agree that it is Christ we must follow. But who does He speak to us from? The Prophets. In Mal. 4:5 we know that ONE prophet is to be sent to the church prior to the great and dreaful day of the Lord, yes?

Thirdly, what is Christ talking about we He addresses us the Laodicean church, "have need of nothing"? He's telling us we think we are rich of truth, we don't need any more truth or message from the Lord.

Lastly, in Revelation 18 we know that ONE last message is to join the 3 Angels message. Messages are what angels bring ,so there is a very important message that comes and makes the earth lighten with it's glory. What does this message do? It repeats the prior message of the 3 angels BUT adds more on church corruption! The SRod message is all about reform and revival and church corruption. read it for yourselves and be careful not to discard this powerful testimony from SOP --

"Those who allow prejudice to bar the mind against the reception of truth cannot receive the divine enlightment. Yet, when a view of Scripture is presented, many do not ask, Is it true--in harmony with god's word? but, By whom is it advocated? and unless it comes throguh the very channel that pleases them, they do not accept it. So thoroughly satisfied are they with their own ideas that they will not examine the Scripture evidence with a desire to learn, but refuse to be interested, merely because of their prejudices." (test. to Min. p.105)

Date: May 15, 2014

"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled; yet the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience."

This Ezekiel 9 warning is addressed to "the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them"'--SDA obviously. Awake my people before you are found without the "wedding garment" when the King (Husband to His church) shall come in to inspect the guests.

Date: May 15, 2014

Webmaster-- you said--Your website is "Godsloveandlaw", yet you show little love in your post to NB.

I know that NB is close to the truth in what she wrote. In my studies, I see where the Shepherd's Rod believes that they will be the ones with the physical slaughtering weapons to "clean house" in the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

"Your vehement reply makes me think that perhaps you are affiliated with the Shepherd's Rod...."

I was serious what I said, that was a truly foolish comment to make. Obviously you are trying to sidetrack the issue. If the "Shepherd's Rod" teachings taught that Davidians will soon go around and start the slaughter of people in the church, then I have Arizona ocean front property for sale!

This is what really is sad, people like you and others don't study for themselves. What is truth? Instead they find it much easier to "lean on flesh".

Well Jeremiah has some words for you-- " Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns from the Lord." (Jer. 17:5)

And yes, I HAVE studied the teachings of Victor Houteff and they are very very deep and true. Try it you make just like it. For the researched article, the definitive truth, see Wikipedia article -- Davidian Seventh Day Adventist

Date: May 16, 2014

Godsloveandlaw writes: "I was serious what I said, that was a truly foolish comment to make"

On first reading, it looked like you were apologizing. On second reading I see that my fears are confirmed.

Why not repent, learn to love your Saviour - Jesus Christ, do as he said and did, and receive eternal life?

Date: May 16, 2014

Godslawandlove,

I follow no one but Jesus Christ and His Word to us and no paraphrase of men in any shape or form.

None of us, not one have any excuse for not knowing the truth and seeing what is coming. I solidly hold to this and most on this board the same. Please read and soak it in.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He is with us and in us 100% of the time if and when we truly are fully surrendered and not a whit withheld!

Why on earth would we want to follow any man when Christ in you is the best teacher and bar none. No I do not follow any man's teaching, Christ only is my teacher. I have no need of any theology or commentaries of men.

I sure do heed EGW as I have no doubt God sent her and showed her many things and her writings always lead one to the Word and not differing!

And so I am of no denomination or group but His and if you can prove it was prevailed against by the gates of hell which you cannot do, you would have made Him out a liar.

I tell you now, I will go nowhere but to the Lord because He does not and will not fail nor will His Word!

Here now is Christ's Word now on His Church that only He, God can build,

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Heed this admonition,

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church. {UL 315.5}

Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls. The glory of God has penetrated the prison walls, flooding with glorious beams of heavenly light the darkest dungeon. His saints may suffer, but their sufferings will, like the apostles of old, spread their faith and win souls to Christ and glorify His holy name. The bitterest opposition expressed by those who hate God's great moral standard of righteousness should not and will not shake the steadfast soul who trusts fully in God. . . . {UL 315.6}

They that will be doers of the word are building securely, and the tempest and storm of persecution will not shake their foundation, because their souls are rooted to the eternal Rock.--Letter 108, Oct. 28, 1886, to her older sister and her husband who had not accepted the Sabbath truth." {UL 315.7}

And so I tell you and all, I am and will only be a member in His Church that He alone can build, a lively stone in that building!

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Co 3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Date: May 16, 2014

Webmaster, I noticed you ignored my points. Look in the mirror my friend, thy speck may be very large.

Date: May 16, 2014

Gibs-- Those are true quotes, do not disagree. However can you address the specific points I raised?

You made mention you did not believe Ezekiel was literal. Have you seen and now acknowledge your error?

Do you have any idea what message that 4th angel brings?

Are you now aware you shouldn't call Davidians --Shepherd's Rods?

Do you not believe that He sent a prophet (Elijah) to His church? And that EGW prophesied one man would come after her in the "spirit and power of Elijah"?

Why the ignorance?

Date: May 17, 2014

Godslawandlove,

I am going to leave you to your see as I find you to be mixed up in what you see and understand. You are affiliated with a group that is more far off track than the SDA church structure.

A quote of EGW,

The Jews tried to stop the proclamation of the message that had been predicted in the Word of God; but prophecy must be fulfilled. The Lord says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord" (Malachi 4:5). Somebody is to come in the spirit and power of Elijah, and when he appears, men may say, "You are too earnest, you do not interpret the Scriptures in the proper way. Let me tell you how to teach your message." {1SM 412.2}

There are many who cannot distinguish between the work of God and that of man. I shall tell the truth as God gives it to me, and I say now, If you continue to find fault, to have a spirit of variance, you will never know the truth, Jesus said to His disciples, "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now" (John 16:12). They were not in a condition to appreciate sacred and eternal things; but Jesus promised to send the Comforter, who would teach them all things, and bring all things to their remembrance, whatsoever He had said unto them. Brethren, we must not put our dependence in man. "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22). You must hang your helpless souls upon Jesus. It does not become us to drink from the fountain of the valley, when there is a fountain in the mountain. Let us leave the lower streams; let us come to the higher springs. If there is a point of truth that you do not understand, upon which you do not agree, investigate, compare scripture with scripture, sink the shaft of truth down deep into the mine of God's Word. You must lay yourselves and your opinions on the altar of God, put away your preconceived ideas, and let the Spirit of Heaven guide you into all truth." {1SM 412.3}

End of quote.

Follow me, Christ admonished and that I choose to do. His Word guided by His Spirit into all truth and His prophecy opened to me is my leading and guiding.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Date: May 17, 2014

So be it Gibs.

Seeing how you can't/won't answer my straight forward questions, I'll leave you with some Inspiration advice and counsel:

"Suppose a brother held a view that differed from yours, and he should come to you, proposing that you sit down with him and make an investigation of that point in the Scriptures; should you rise up, filled with prejudice, and condemn his ideas, while refusing to give him a candid hearing? The only right way would be to sit down as Christians and investigate the position presented in the light of God's word, which will reveal truth and unmask error. To ridicule his ideas would not weaken his position in the least if it were false, or strengthen your position if it were true." (Testimonies to Ministers, p.105-106)

"Those who allow prejudice to bar the mind against the reception of truth cannot receive the divine enlightenment. Yet, when a view of Scripture is presented, many do not ask, Is it true--in harmony with God's word? but, By whom is it advocated? and unless it comes through the very channel that pleases them, they do not accept it. So thoroughly satisfied are they with their own ideas that they will not examine the Scripture evidence with a desire to learn, but refuse to be interested , merely because of their prejudices." (Ibid, p.105)

Date: May 17, 2014

Godslovelandlaw,

You state, "

Do you not believe that He sent a prophet (Elijah) to His church? And that EGW prophesied one man would come after her in the "spirit and power of Elijah"?

Why the ignorance?

Produce the quote please, " that EGW prophesied one man would come after her in the "spirit and power of Elijah."

Has that man yet come? I haven't seen that quote or heard that man yet! Have you?

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error

Date: May 17, 2014

Godsloveandlaw writes: "Webmaster, I noticed you ignored my points. Look in the mirror my friend, thy speck may be very large".

It is because I agree with what you have written so far regarding what will take place with the 144,000.

See now how your "persecution complex" has made you make mistaken assumptions?

You are rebuked for writing hateful things like this: "This quote from NB is assinine --"it is a shepherd's rod teaching that wants to kill off the remnant before the close of probation and they use this scripture to justify their views..." That is an outright lie!! Obviously NB knows nothing about what the Srod teaches except rumors or bits and pieces of false information."

I happen to know that NB is very close to the truth on this, as the Shepherd's Rod taught that they would physically go around and kill the apostate Adventist leaders. Perhaps they do not teach that today, so you don't know that about the Shepherd Rod history, but that is fact, and is one reason we know for sure that the Shepherd's Rod is an offshoot developed by Satan.

Date: May 17, 2014

We are seeing much of this,

2Pe 2:1 ¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Mt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

His True ones will all have Him within,

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Date: May 17, 2014

Yes, it is interesting to me that most Sunday-keeping Christians ridiculed the idea of any more prophets after Bible times up until around the time the internet got going, and now it seems like almost everybody is a prophet - ha!

The reference about somebody coming is found in the 1888 Materials:

"Somebody is to come in the spirit and power of Elijah, and when he appears, men may say, "You are too earnest, you do not interpret the Scriptures in the proper way. Let me tell you how to teach your message.""

I'm looking forward to seeing and supporting that person!! smile

Date: May 18, 2014

I am sure the 144,000 will go forth in the spirit and power of Elijah. So far EGW is the only one past the time she is speaking.

We need to read the quotes of EGW in the full context of them to get the timing of what she is bringing out,

"The Jews tried to stop the proclamation of the message that had been predicted in the Word of God; but prophecy must be fulfilled. The Lord says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord" (Malachi 4:5). Somebody is to come in the spirit and power of Elijah, and when he appears, men may say, "You are too earnest, you do not interpret the Scriptures in the proper way. Let me tell you how to teach your message." {1SM 412.2}

And then,

"The Jews tried to stop the proclamation of the message that had been predicted in the word of God; but prophecy must be fulfilled. The Lord says, "Behold, I send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord." Somebody is to come in the spirit and power of Elijah, and when he appears, men may say, "You are too earnest, you do not interpret the Scriptures in the proper way. Let me tell you how to teach your message." {1888 534.6}

Here is a note that must be realized of the 144,000,

Re 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the "servants" of our God in their foreheads.

That tells us a heap.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Date: May 18, 2014

"..purify your hearts, you double-minded." (James 4:8)

It is because I agree with what you have written so far regarding what will take place with the 144,000.

If you "agreed" with me you'd stop and ponder what I am staying. When I said "asinine" it was meant as just that. For how can someone who knows nothing about the Shepherd's Rod speak such blasphemous things? And it is against the "truth" which we all know is Jesus - "I am the way the TRUTH and the life."

"I happen to know that NB is very close to the truth on this, as the Shepherd's Rod taught that they would physically go around and kill the apostate Adventist leaders. Perhaps they do not teach that today, so you don't know that about the Shepherd Rod history, but that is fact, and is one reason we know for sure that the Shepherd's Rod is an offshoot developed by Satan"

This statement you have made is breaking the 9th Commandment. Are you aware of that? I have studied this message VERY thoroughly and there is NO evidence from the SROD teachings that even hint of such a thing. You undoubtedly are relaying what you heard or read from someone OTHER THAN a direct quote or teaching from the SRod. Give me any writings from the SRod that says your horrendous ideas. I can't wait to see them. If not then repent because you have bore false witness.