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Based on what EGW has said in her books about meat eating and cancer.... calling cancer a germ and also saying how meat eating can cause tumors to be worse...

based on much research, I do believe that cancer forms a protective protein shield around itself so that the body cannot easily destroy it. The protein shield is only made from animal protein as a biofilm. If one does not supply the cancer with animal protein, then the shield cannot be maintained and the body's own immune system and supplements can actively cause apoptosis.
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If you look at all the lists in Leviticus you will find that all the clean animals, birds, fish, insects are all herbivores. Some have trouble with some species knowing if they are clean or unclean. Find out what they eat and you will know how God considers them..... only the plant eaters are the clean.

In this day and age, many of the animals, birds and fish are farmed. Man controls their diet and they are fed feces and animal by products of slaughter houses. This makes them meat eaters and therefore unclean. When cows and cattle were first fed this 'mush' they would not eat it so they had to put a little grain in there and sugar in order to get them to eat it.

So sad really, in their natural habitat, they would be clean but today when they are fed meat by products, they are unclean.

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"only the plant eaters are the clean."

I think this definition needs some reworking.  I've been around chickens enough to know that they are scavengers, just about as bad as pigs.  Fish too eat just about anything.  Also, camels are herbivores, yet are unclean.  Perhaps something like "herbivores are usually clean, while carnivores are usually not"?



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Hey NB,it's me, Gerry Buck.

How do I sign up here?doh



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Anonymous wrote:

Hey NB,it's me, Gerry Buck.

How do I sign up here?doh





Hi Gerry,
Nice to see you here.... when the screen pops up, remove anonymous and put in your name. It's real easy.
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this time I removed the anonymous and put in my name NB

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"only the plant eaters are the clean."

I think this definition needs some reworking.  I've been around chickens enough to know that they are scavengers, just about as bad as pigs.  Fish too eat just about anything.  Also, camels are herbivores, yet are unclean.  Perhaps something like "herbivores are usually clean, while carnivores are usually not"?





there is a part in the digestive tract that gives it away.... fecal digesters are unclean but I didn't think people wanted to go that far webmaster

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Sorry i'm pretty dense on all this....

So are you saying that carnivores have something special to be able to digest the fecal matter in their prey, while herbivores do not?  What about pigs and chickens and camels and fish - especially fish?



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webmaster wrote:

Sorry i'm pretty dense on all this....

So are you saying that carnivores have something special to be able to digest the fecal matter in their prey, while herbivores do not?  What about pigs and chickens and camels and fish - especially fish?





clean animals have a way of pre digesting what they eat

for instance, cows have fermentation stomachs before the digestive tract begins....

carnivores or unclean animals have their's after the intestines begin so it is digesting already the fecal matter and some of these animals actually eat this fecal matter and it digests all over again...

these unclean ones have a toxic load that is hard to get rid of and if eaten the next party will increase the toxic load to their own bodies...

I hope this is not too much information.

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Growing up on a farm [for the most part] I had the opportunity to interact with a lot of different animals, cattle, horses, pigs, chickens, turkey goats and even a few sheep [not where I lived, a friend had them]

I noticed that pigs ate mostly that which would be considered garbage, they also rooted for grubs and other critters. They were pretty much the garbage disposal for the farm.

Horses are herbivores, but they would not be considered 'clean' because some of their culinary habits [while young especially] leave a great deal to be desired.

The foal would 'eat' the waste from the parents because it was already partially digested, making it easier for their new stomachs to handle] not all did this, but I saw a number of them do it.confuse

goats and sheep, on the other hand, are a lot like cows, they have more than one stomach, and they are pretty particular in what they eat. Contrary to the tales, I never saw a goat eat a tin can.biggrin

Unlike unclean animals, they are strictly herbivores [as long as man doesn't mess around with their feed] whereas the other are omnivorous, basically, you name it, they'll eat it.doh



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"carnivores or unclean animals have their's after the intestines begin so it is digesting already the fecal matter and some of these animals actually eat this fecal matter and it digests all over again... "

Does this include the pig?  What about the birds?  I understand their digestion is totally different with a gizzard and all that.  And how about the camel?  It's a herbivore, isn't it?  And the rabbit?  Fish?

I'd never really thot much that horses were unclean, but i guess they don't have "cloven" hooves, making them so, hmmmm, i had no idea they eat pre-digested food sometimes!

Here in Japan they eat everything that comes from the sea.  Today in the market i saw lots of red sea-cucumbers - a rarely-eaten delicacy - yucko!!!  But right next to them was a yummy looking platter of fresh seaweed.  It was a bit expensive tho, so i passed this time.



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 Many articles of food eaten freely by the heathen about them were forbidden to the Israelites. It was no arbitrary distinction that was made. The things prohibited were unwholesome. And the fact that they were pronounced unclean taught the lesson that the use of injurious foods is defiling. That which corrupts the body tends to corrupt the soul. It unfits the user for communion with God, unfits him for high and holy service.  {CD 57.3}

The camel was listed with the unclean because although it chewed the cud, it did not have a cloven hoof, like goats, cattle, sheep,deer, etc.

Not sure what is said about it in a commentary, but will try to find out.



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Gerry Buck wrote:

 Many articles of food eaten freely by the heathen about them were forbidden to the Israelites. It was no arbitrary distinction that was made. The things prohibited were unwholesome. And the fact that they were pronounced unclean taught the lesson that the use of injurious foods is defiling. That which corrupts the body tends to corrupt the soul. It unfits the user for communion with God, unfits him for high and holy service.  {CD 57.3}

The camel was listed with the unclean because although it chewed the cud, it did not have a cloven hoof, like goats, cattle, sheep,deer, etc.

Not sure what is said about it in a commentary, but will try to find out.


 Wow     that is a great statement there!! 

I guess when the body is filled with toxins and sick the mind is ample game for Satan to enter.



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 It unfits the user for communion with God, unfits him for high and holy service

That is a very strong statement!  Surely we need to be careful what we put in our bodies.  I've thot for a long time that especially illicit drugs and tobacco somehow cloud the brain so that it is not able to correctly consider the things of God.

Gerry, i understand that camels are unclean, but i wonder why?  What is different between their digestive system and the digestive system of say a cow or sheep?  Same question goes for rabbits.  Both these animals are definitely herbivores, but for some reason, not to be ingested by humans at all.



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What do camels eat?

The food that camels eat depend on whether they are domesticated, feral or living in zoos. In the wild, camels will eat just about anything as it is very hard to find food. They eat plants, dried leaves, seeds, bones, fish meat and even leather! Domesticated camels (those raised by people) are usually fed dates, grass, wheat and oats. In zoos, camels are fed hay and dry grass- about 3.5 kilograms of food everyday!

 

THEREFORE, CAMELS ARE UNCLEAN.  SOME BIRDS ARE CLEAN AND SOME ARE NOT. 



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