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Does anybody know of anyone claiming to be a prophet in the SDA church since Ellen White died in1915?

Of course one of the first, and probably still the most famous (after infamous David Koresh) was Victor Houteff, who split off from the SDA church to found The Shepherds Rod (Davidian SDA).

In the last 20 years or so, it seems that several have arisen.  I want to list the ones I know of, and give a very short summary of their ministry.

Ron Beaulieu: He was the first one I found out about due to the internet.  His omega77 page has a pic of Ellen White, anthen his pic shown in black and white, in a similar fashion next to it.  Sure enough, he compares himself to EGW.  He calls people out of the SDA church, which is a clear tipoff tbat he is not a true prophet.

Eugene Shubert: His web site is everythingimportant.  He is the wackiest one I have interacted with, as he basically believes he is William Miller part II. 

Ronald Millstone: His website is the NJK Project.  That stands for something about a New Jerusalem utopia he plans to build on floating cities.  He is super socialistic in mindset, and a fierce hater of the US and SDA church.  He is the most "educated" person on this list.

Ernie Knoll: His website is formypeople.  For some people, he is the most well known prophet claimant in the past 20 years.  Actually, I believed in them for a while, especially when Pr. Wohlberb and others were strongly denouncing him because he said that there are other storehouses than the General Conference of SDAs.  He was spot-on there, but later admitted he made up somthings etc.  While he has been discredited, and seems to have goten bitter, some of his dreams seem very true to me.

James Tierney: He says he has had 4 visions.  One was of a halo of light around the 4th commandment, another was of the importance of forgiveness, another right when then 2nd plane crashed into the tower on 9/11, and the last was about how Jesus fulfilled the Red Heifer symbology exactly in the Garden of Gethsemane.  The only one that bothers me, is the one on 9/11, as he says that at that instant the 4 Winds of Revelation 7 began to blow, and the judgment of the living started.  I do not believe those two things.  What impreses me most, is that he is the only one of these prophets (except maybe for Ernie) to call people to stay in the SDA church.  But, he, along with all these others, is just as angry as he can be if you do not see everything just exactly as he does.  Now I realize if he is a true prophet, it does not matter if his personality is as crusty as a month-old piece of Wonder bread.  But still, it would help improve my respect if they should a lick of humbleness.

What are your thots on these people, and on end-time prophets in general?



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Hello Anonymous. 

My name is James Tierney. I am very sorry you see my personality as like a "month old piece of Wonder bread" but I would venture to ask if you think that kind of public attack on a brothers character is inspired by God? Please forgive me. I do defend what God showed me in visions and dreams vehemently, but it is for the sake of others that I do so because of the warnings attached to the unctions God has given me for the church.

I hope what I have to say here is a blessing for you and anyone else searching for truth.

 There have been much more than 4 visions and dreams that God has given me. But you are absolutely correct that the message is to stay in the church and not to leave like most of those who attack me say it's their duty to call people out. Two of the people on your list have made it their personal duty to try to discredit what God has shown me (Ron Beaulieu from Omega77 and Ronald Millestrom of NJK project) but they don't say the visions God gave me were wrong, only how I interpreted them. Which seems very strange to me. Why would God trust me to receive visions and dreams from Him yet not give me the capacity to understand them? Both of those men claim God wants us to leave the SDA church and to me this is direct evidence that they are not led by the Holy Spirit. When this came up after they initiated conversations with me, that is when they set out to attack me, establishing websites to do so.

One of the most important things is to remain in the Church. Anyone saying otherwise are not sent by God.

Here is a few links to other visions and dreams God has given me. I hope you are blessed.

http://allbeastslead2rome.blogspot.com/

http://whentheycrypeaceandsafety.blogspot.com/

http://jesuitcorpse.blogspot.com/



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James... I looked at your material...  some of it is good and some is counterfeit....  

my question is, If you are a true prophet, then why do you not know that the 1888 GC is a counterfeit?



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James... I looked at your material...  some of it is good and some is counterfeit....  

my question is, If you are a true prophet, then why do you not know that the 1888 GC is a counterfeit?


 interesting that he has no response to this...

I believe that because of this, he is a false prophet



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James,

I:m the webmaster.  I did not say your personality *is as crusty as a month-old piece of Wonder bread*.  I wrote: *Now I realize if he is a true prophet, it does not matter if his personality is as crusty as a month-old piece of Wonder bread.*  I wrote regarding yours and others claims to being a prophet on a different forum as *it does not matter if the prophet is even visiting a whore*.  The moderator got angry at me for using that example, but I was just using the very well-known biblical example of Samson.

My point is, God can even choose a rock or a donkey to give his words.  Even if the prophet is working for the enemy of God (Balaam), God can still speak thru him.

My problem with your claim to being a prophet, James, is that it is clear that the 4 winds did NOT start blowing on September 11, 2001, as that did not signal the start of the sealing of the 144,000, and did not signal the start of the Judgment of the Living.  No, I:m not positive that all 3 of these events will occur at the same time, but when not even one of them started on 9/11, your assertion that it did is shown to not be from God.

Having said that, I think you are doing a good work otherwise, and your desire to uplift God:s remnant church is wonderful.  It is a fearful thing to claim to be a mouthpiece for God himself tho, so I request you to consider more deeply what you should do.

God bless as you help prepare people for the soon return of our lovely Saviour - Jesus Christ.



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Just to succinctly clarify the record in regards to me and the NJK Project:

 

-God, Jesus and the entire Bible is "super socialistic". You all have just been drunken and brainwashed by the Capitalism deception of (Protestant/Neo-) Babylon (=America) =Isa 5:20. I align myself and my theology with what the Bible actually teaches is God's ideal and will. Certainly nothing wrong or unbiblical with fiercely hating "Laodicea" and "Babylon" (Rev 3:16-17; 16:19; 18:5ff)!!!!....

http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2011/10/biblical-prophetic-babylon-loud-cry.html

 

-The Bible and SOP are also clear that until the very end, no professing people of God will ever have an irrevocable standing before God (Rev 3:14-21; LDE 59-61). Proper/Full Bible prophecy interpretation and understanding bears this out. You all are doing the common, very same, smug, effectively, and "blackmailing" error of Ancient/Ethnic Israel of thinking that God has no better choice or alternative than them. (e.g. Jer 7)

 

-Nothing wrong with being "(Biblically/Scholarly educated" and all crowned and calibrated by an education in: 'the (self-sacrificing) school of Christ' (=TM 116.1). In fact/Indeed all of the errors and heresies in the Global Christian Church today is directly due to a lack of proper Biblical education leading to all sorts of incomplete or outright wrong interpretations. Also, the present Global Christian Church only exists today because God called a highly educated Bible Scholar to be an Apostle in the Apostle Paul who even educated the other 12 Apostles who were still stuck in OT Theology. (Cf. Galatians 1-3)...[And which probably is why the Roman Catholic Church has a similar ceremonial works based theology given that they believe in their Apostolic Succession doctrine that the 12 Apostles could not err as the successors of Christ].

 

About James Tierney's claims:

 

-Having a prophetic revelation/vision/dream is a distinct gift and capability than properly interpreting and understanding it....Just ask e.g. Pharoah, King Nebuchadnezzar. In fact, the average SDA today understands the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, (and potentially Ezekiel), than these Bible prophets themselves did. God however can allow for a prophetic dream or vision to be "locally/personally" applicable and understood by the receiver, but there can however be subsequent and deeper understandings which the receiver may be clueless of.

The problem with the many SDA "half-prophets"* is that, as typical/patent SDAs, they do not have the Full Gospel Experience involved in TM 116.1 to see and understand more in the visions that God has given to and through them. That's just the Biblically/Spiritually demonstrated fact of the matter.

 

* http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2012/05/testing-spirits-1-cor-1210.html 

 

So, as I have said about James Tierney, -and those others, I have seen/found that their claims of prophetic revelation checks out, but their interpretation and application of them is either incomplete or outrightly incorrect. E.g. Tierney vision of having seen that the winds were held back on 9/11 is Biblically/Prophetically valid,* however his ensuing private-interpretation and application claims have indeed not checked out, as is the case with his other such tacked on "prophetic/Biblical" exposition.

 

* See: http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2012/05/testing-spirits-1-cor-1210.html#jtierney

 

Other miscellaneous comments:

 

-Didn't EGW herself write, authorize/endorse and/or oversee the 1888 GC edition???!!!!!

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/4sop-supp.html

 



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James,

I:m the webmaster.  I did not say your personality *is as crusty as a month-old piece of Wonder bread*.  I wrote: *Now I realize if he is a true prophet, it does not matter if his personality is as crusty as a month-old piece of Wonder bread.*  I wrote regarding yours and others claims to being a prophet on a different forum as *it does not matter if the prophet is even visiting a whore*.  The moderator got angry at me for using that example, but I was just using the very well-known biblical example of Samson.

My point is, God can even choose a rock or a donkey to give his words.  Even if the prophet is working for the enemy of God (Balaam), God can still speak thru him.

My problem with your claim to being a prophet, James, is that it is clear that the 4 winds did NOT start blowing on September 11, 2001, as that did not signal the start of the sealing of the 144,000, and did not signal the start of the Judgment of the Living.  No, I:m not positive that all 3 of these events will occur at the same time, but when not even one of them started on 9/11, your assertion that it did is shown to not be from God.

Having said that, I think you are doing a good work otherwise, and your desire to uplift God:s remnant church is wonderful.  It is a fearful thing to claim to be a mouthpiece for God himself tho, so I request you to consider more deeply what you should do.

God bless as you help prepare people for the soon return of our lovely Saviour - Jesus Christ.


 Webmaster are you a Seventh Day Adventist?



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James Tierney

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I didn't get any notifications that you asked a question, and that is why I didn't respond. 



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Oh boy... here we go again... no  How are those floating cities coming along NJK!? wink



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...The Shameless Troll better known as MoPinkMan*... (Pro 26:4-5): You've long, well proven** that there is no point trying to have this Theological/Biblical/Prophetic discussion with a Biblically-illiterate & Babylonian-drugged, Spiritually-immature toddler like you...(1 Cor 2:6-16)

 

* http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TR8O9L1RE4DBDHOIO/p78#c1620

 

** E.g.: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TR8O9L1RE4DBDHOIO/p12#c231

http://oursword.blogspot.com/2010/03/false-prophet-ernie-knoll-admits-he-was.html?showComment=1377383994734#c1962388073829693756

 

-But seriously why are you so convinced that I care...or that I 'need to care', about what you, or others like you, think (Isa 6:8-13)...or worse: that I *owe* you (and the likes of you) answers/updates about the NJK Project????

 

(A) I dont get my marching orders from you, but from the Heavenly Intelligence (Acts 5:29-32); and 

 

(B) the last thing the NJK Project cares to attract is Spiritual half-bakes* like you (Isa 28:14-22) =1SM 109-111...

 

* http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2010/12/seventh-day-adventists-believe.html

 

...You/you all dont/wont, -as you cant, get e.g. Luke 19:11-27 (=Matt 25:14-30)*; So (=Matt 13:10-15) how would you get such Spiritually-mature (Isa 28:5-13)** carefully-concealed (=Dan 12:4, 10) advancing revelations of God*** (Isa 29:9-16; 15MR 292.2-4)...

 

* http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2009/11/our-final-test.html

 

** http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2010/01/theological-views-commentary.html#spiritualmature

 

*** http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2010/12/unrolling-of-scroll.html#EGWRev5

 

...So do stop being so patently shameless, and take the clue already... 

...And do enjoy your ignoramus bliss....while you can (Matt 25:45-46)*.... 

 

* http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2010/01/testimony-to-church-3-judgement.html

 



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My problem with your claim to being a prophet, James, is that it is clear that the 4 winds did NOT start blowing on September 11, 2001, as that did not signal the start of the sealing of the 144,000, and did not signal the start of the Judgment of the Living.  No, I:m not positive that all 3 of these events will occur at the same time, but when not even one of them started on 9/11, your assertion that it did is shown to not be from God.

 

I have considered this long ago. I also wonder just like any SDA about the time the seal of God will occur. But I haven't read a single statement from Ellen G. White that the sealing should happen in the same day, month, or year in the SDA church. Therefore the interpretation is open that

1) it might have happened long ago. Some are already sealed, while others are not yet due to the incomplete perfection of character which the sealing requires. Some may have already perfected Christian character unknown to us, and unknown to the world, but known to God [There is no indication in the Scriptures that character perfection is unattainable in this sinful side of existence. On the other hand, it attests otherwise (Rev. 14:4,5; Eph. 5:27; Dan. 12:10; Acts 26:18; Ezekiel 36:23) If we clearly understand that sinning is choice (James 1:14,15; James 4:17; John 8: 34; Prov. 5:22; Gen. 4:7), and not nature (Ezek. 28:15) then it can be avoided, and that sinless perfection can be achieved in this sinful lifetime. How? By choice, as the scripture states "The righteous by his steadfastness/firmess will survive" (Habakkuk 2:4). When one has that fixity of character that cannot be moved, such a person is reliable and trustworthy. God's laws being permanently written in his/her heart. He/she hates what God hates and loves what God loves so that in character there is no difference between him/her and God, and God can acknowledge them as His sons and daughters who fully reflects His image even in this sinful side of existence. This is what Titus 2:11-15 exhorts us to be, along with Philippians 2:14,15. Jesus is strict in this particular (Lk. 16:10-12; Mt. 7:21-27; Mt. 24:13; Rv. 2:10)]. Let me remind you that Ellen G. White did not made any statement that the sealing time happens once and in the same year or at a particular date. 

2) It is understood among us that the sealing of what should compose the 144,000 happens before the blowing of the four winds. The event in 9/11 as construed by James as the blowing already of the four winds can be correct. It is correct as far as my personal conviction as a theologian is concerned. From the standpoint of the uncertain scope of the sealing time, the sealing might have already completed long ago or being in progress, and culminates into some major catastrophic event. 

 

3) You assertion that "all 3 events will occur at the same time" is not backed up with the Spirit of Prophecy. Ellen G. White did NOT make any mention that the judgment for the living will happen simultaneously with the blowing of the wind and with the sealing. No. They do NOT occur at the same time. As my first point awhile ago, Ellen G. White did not specified if the sealing will happen in one single day for all ready saints, or whether they happen incrementally or not together, as the spirituality, maturity, perfection of characters of each SDA members do not happen at the same year but varies according to their own existence and experiences.

4) The Spirit of Prophecy does not specify that the blowing of the winds must have to wait until "all" are sealed. However, Scriptures seems clear in Revelation chapter 7 that the tense from verse 4 to 8 is in the perfect participle middle/passive. This means that the act was completed in the past but has continuing implications and results.

5) In Rev. 7:3, The terms "ges" (earth) and "thalassan" (sea) does not specify whether earth means agricultural area or the urban structures of the Twin towers as what the post modern context shows. is the hurting refering to some isolated event such as the hitting of the tower or a universal event that involves universal hurting of the earth in its vast scope? 

6) If the winds were already blown, but not in its fullest brunt (International Sunday Law implementation), the it is safe to conclude that some were already sealed at 9/11, and that the sealing continues today, until it will stop, having completed all the reckoning at the International Sunday Law event. 

7) To say that Jesus had already started His pronouncement upon the living upon 9/11 can be correct (Is correct as far as my conviction as a theologian is concerned). Again, Ellen G. White does not specify a date or a landmark, or any sign that marks the commencement of the judgment among the living. Therefore it may have happened already, just happened recently or maybe happening within 2017, 2018, or some year we do not know. To conclude that it had already happened during 9/11 is not unsound. It is good news to those holy ones, the righteous, while it provokes hatred and alarm among lukewarm Seventh-day Adventist who are negligent in the serious work of preparation. 

I say to James, God bless you in your ministry. Stand strong. God had not indicated the the Spirit of Prophecy ends with Ellen G. White. It has no end so long as sin remains in this world, and so long as we have not yet come in the unity of faith (Eph. 4:11-14). It will not cease so long as God exists, and that He is on the process of rehabilitating His professed children. This reclamation work is still in progress and had not yet stopped because we need to be purified. Just as Satan had his mediums and witches, God also has His own mediums of prophets through whom He communicates His will, NOT AS NEW ADDITIONS TO THE TORAH, BUT AS REINFORCEMENTS OF IT. Remember, present prophets do not contradict former prophets but confirms their prophecies, as it is written "the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets" (1Cor. 14:32). Further, this spiritual channel will not cease so long as God wants to communicate His will to us daily and specifically until we shall see Him in the clouds face to face, just as the lovers parted far from each other must never cease to write and communicate to each other until they are in each other's embrace. And why would God terminate prophetic ministry especially now that we needed it as Satan on the other side increased his activities to defy God's Law? Would God's agencies lie dormant? The Holy Spirit, that complex person of the Godhead is everywhere present, living within each one of us personally. Everyone can have supernatural access to God through Him/Them. 



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*saint*,

I:ve already refuted most of your arguments with God:s words in previous posts, so will not belabor the point here.

When the 10Commandments are brought forth, then the judgment of the living will start.

The sealing of the 144,000 has not started yet.

Let:s study to show ourselves approved.



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I do not claim to be a prophet, only that I have received gifts of understanding prophecy. I know this is hard to explain but God always sends someone when Prophecy is fulfilled to understand what was written. I could care less of being attacked. The facts are also being misrepresented here. I was shown that when the second jet hit the Trade Center that this began the HOLDING not the blowing of the Four winds. Revelation 7 foretold the beginning of the sealing of the 144,000. 9/11 was the beginning of that time frame. Now we are in the t6ime of the eighth king of Rev 17:11. Pope Francis is the first Jesuit pope and they have a motto "Perinde ac Cadaver" which means to be 'like a corpse' and Jesus said in Matthew 24:28 that the sign of the very end before His second coming would be "where the CORPSE is there the eagles will gather". This is a faithful witness. All those who have persecuted me on these claims will be VERY ashamed. (NK Project etc) The eighth pope since the healing of the head wound, Pope Francis is also the first to SPEAK from congress so the lamb-like beast has spake as a dragon. All sorts of prophecies are being fulfilled in this perfect time frame, since the sixth king John Paul II (the one who 'IS' in the prophetic vision) was in office and the first daughter, Protestant church was born to the Harlot, making her a MOTHER. If anyone wants to debate me on these issues go to my Facebook page. I am only a servant and I do not claim to be worthy of any of this but that was God's will and I am not ashamed of claiming it.

I do not monitor this thread and am not avoiding anyone. I only find it when I search for my name online to see what others are saying about this message. 



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LOL..Do, James, get back with me -when- (the 81-year-old) Pope Francis is replaced/succeeded!!!....

Plus, "how humble".... You should rather be claiming that you have been gifted with the prophetic gift (albeit of the Ezek 14:1-8ff degree) because you clearly have no gift into understanding prophecy...including the ones which you have received in actual/valid revelation. 

All of your prophecy explanations and understandings do not begin to pass an exegetical/Biblical examination..They are all, at best, mere shallow/whimsical 'proof-texting' claims... Reflectingly enough (=Ezek 14:3-5); of likewise exegetically-incompetent SDAs): the Jack Van Impe of/for SDAs...

 

-Similarly, David Gates has boldly renewed his false prophesying by setting some timed event for "late March 2019"* based on that Pope Francis address to Congress on September 23, 2015. Some people never learn.....

* http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2009/11/ministry-of-david-gates.html#LateMarch2019

 

-If you think properly expounding the Bible and asking you to do the same is "persecution", you are really confounded (ala. Isa 5:20)...Instead of whining, just start doing the required work which would, if they could, establish your claims solidly on the "rightly divided word of God"..I have done so...and that is why I won't be "ashamed".... You just have "righteousness" clue (cf. CET 228.2; 14MR 280.4) what God is objectively testingly/judgingly doing with/to all those who (vacuously) profess to believe that 'Jesus is coming...tomorrow'...

 

-Fact is, you/you all (SDAs) are running on historical prophetic "gas fumes" of what could/should have been, indeed right around the time of 9/11*..but God in his mercy for the unSealed (Rev 7:1-3/EW 38.1-2), decided to hold the winds and launch into the present Eschatological Wave** of/for Prophecy***...but you all are way too unrighteous [i.e. you are not doing 'what/all that is right' -COL 312.2; e.g. Matt 25:40-46] to begin to see, let alone comprehend, that Greater Light (LDE 209.3-210.1)*4*

* http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2012/05/testing-spirits-1-cor-1210.html#jtierney

** http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2010/12/unrolling-of-scroll.html

*** http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-prophetic-parables-of-jesus-matt.html

*4* http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2010/01/real-outpouring-of-holy-spirit.html

 

[FYI: You can have this, and any other webpage, "monitored" with: changedetection.com ]

 

{Btw...FYI: I've long (publicly) responded (on April 30, 2017), in detail/full, to your last [i.e. March 6, 2017] email to me* starting here**}

* reposted (starting) here: http://njkproject.blogspot.com/2012/05/testing-spirits-1-cor-1210.html?showComment=1488828215195#c1763704431774391894

** https://njkproject.blogspot.com/2012/05/testing-spirits-1-cor-1210.html?showComment=1493541200266#c6568056769912152420

 



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For James:

I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus' work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgements of God upon them and that if they could rid the earth of us the plagues would then be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance.--Christian Experience and Views of Ellen G. White (1851)

The "holding" of the 4 winds definitely did NOT begin in 2001.  It has been ongoing since at least 1851.

James, you are deluded.

Either an evil spirit is giving you your ideas, or you are just picking things out of the air.

Please pray for God to send a clean spirit into you, so you can properly understand his words.

I do appreciate that at least you are not as prideful and ridiculous as NJK Project, even tho he does make some factual statements sometimes.



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