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Since when do we have the Bible cannon? Was it established through church decrees some centuries after the death of the apostles, or can we trace it back at an earlier time? The implications of these answers are quite important. If the cannon was established by the authority of the official RC church, than she must be entitled to change the content of the Bible as well. If the cannon was established by Christ's apostles under the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit, than God alone has this authority to change the sacred text. But we know that God doesn't change. Moreover, He promised that He will preserve His sacred text, so that not one of His words will pass away. 

The 2nd episode of the documentary at the link bellow deals especially with this topic: the formation of the Bible cannon. It is entitled Reformation's Fountain of Life and it's in Romanian with English subtitles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3VeIwoYTC4



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Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 



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I get this a lot on secular websites recently from Roman Catholics+

"You are using the Bible to try and show us the errors of the Catholics, while WE are the ones who gave you the Bible!"

I usually respond with something along the lines of: "Were you not aware until now, of the fact that the Holy Spirit gave us the Bible, and it was all done by around 100AD, long before the RCC ever became an organization?

If there are better responses, I'd love to hear them!

And thanks for the video!!



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Three questions if you are sure RCC gave us the Bible. 

1.The last Bible Writer died on Patmos in first century AD, The RCC became an active entity 538 AD, how did Christianity grow so much so fast if without a Bible between 100 AD and 537 AD ?

2. How many Catholics did Protestants kill for having a received text Majority Text Bible between 538 AD and 1798 AD ? 

3. Why did the Douay Rheims not use the Majority Text, and why after Vatican II did the RCC build the NIV to bring Jews, Pentecostals, Protestants, and other groups together and refuse the Majority Text that Jesus and the Apostles used ? 

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Most Catholics believe that Jesus gave the keys to Peter, so believe that their church started around 30AD.  It is true that a council (Nicea?) in 325AD or something like that, met, and agreed on the books in the generally agreed-upon canon today.

I don't think any Protestants killed Catholics for having a received text Majority Text Bible.

Number three is a very good question!

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I wonder if anyone reading this has any info on how to respond to Catholics who say "We are the ones who gave you the Bible!"?



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I wonder if anyone reading this has any info on how to respond to Catholics who say "We are the ones who gave you the Bible!"?


 In the middle ages it was the RC church claim that they gave the Bible and they are the only ones entitled to interpret it. Unfortunately in our days you might hear even from SDA theologians this idea that Rome gave us the Bible. To such a one I think that I would answer: "You may have your Bible from Rome, but MY BIBLE comes from God". And I think that I have some ground to say that. Textus Criticus (the critical text), which is used as the basis for the vast majority of translations, is considered by Catholic scholars a vindication of their beloved Vulgate, while they hate bitterly  KJV and Textus Receptus on which the protestant translations were based to this day.



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Textus Receptus and Majority Text.



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zafer

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https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2012/03/who-decided-which-books-should-be-included-in-the-bible

This is an article written by an BRI representative and published in Ministry. I don't know if anyone has enough patience to go through it but ... does this look sound to you?



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From Christian Theologies of Scripture: A Comparative Introduction (edited by Justin S. Holcomb):

Because of the emphasis placed on the Church in the selection of the canon and as authoritative interpreter, and taking some of the of the humanist challenges to heart, scriptural theologians began to articulate new theories of inspiration. In this the Jesuits took the lead. They were concerned that the patristic and early medieval theory of verbal dictation that is, that the Holy Spirit dictated every single word to the author of an inspired bookwas untenable. Seeing that, by and large, the Protestants had picked up on the verbal dictation theory, the Jesuits began a process of refining their arguments. At the University of Louvain, Jesuit authors began to contend that inspiration did not extend explicitly to the words themselves.  Following an idea by Sixtus of Siena, the Jesuit Leonard Lessius (15541623) proposed that the sacred writings were the products of human authors alone, and that only later did the testimony of the Holy Spirit confirm that they were inerrant. This meant that when the Church declared a book canonical, it was guaranteed to be without error. This was called the theory of negative assistance (where the Holy Spirit merely protected an author from gross error) or of subsequent approbation (simply a declaration that a text was inerrant because of the authority of the Church).



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Wow!  That's exactly where we are today in the Seventh-day Adventist Church!  

We claim to believe the Bible, yet we say that the words are not God's words.

And doing so, we've fallen right into the trap of the Jesuits!

Amazing!

Today I read Ezekiel 3.

No one who reads that chapter and believes it can possibly believe the words in the Bible are from men, and only the ideas are from God.



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webmaster wrote:

Wow!  That's exactly where we are today in the Seventh-day Adventist Church!  

We claim to believe the Bible, yet we say that the words are not God's words.

And doing so, we've fallen right into the trap of the Jesuits!

Amazing!

Today I read Ezekiel 3.

No one who reads that chapter and believes it can possibly believe the words in the Bible are from men, and only the ideas are from God.


The greatest irony here is not with liberals as much as it is with those of the conservative camp. While having almost some kind of paranoia when it comes to the jesuits, they swallow blindly this kind of jesuitical ideas, thinking that they are defending EGW or "the faith" by doing this. You are making some good points regarding these guys in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-EM9u2ETgc

 



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Ed Sutton wrote:

3. Why did the Douay Rheims not use the Majority Text, and why after Vatican II did the RCC build the NIV to bring Jews, Pentecostals, Protestants, and other groups together and refuse the Majority Text that Jesus and the Apostles used ? 


 ...the Majority Text that Jesus and the Apostles used ? 

You're kidding, right, Ed? You know there was no Majority Text in their time. At best they had the LII. (Septuagint)



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