Newbie please allow me to fine tune you execellent post, these are your words.
"From the time it is put into law and when it is strickly enforced will be 3 ½ years. Then the 1,290 days will be when Christ will stand up and probation will end. There will be 30 days of extreme persecution of the saints during this time and also a great outpouring of the latter rain. When Jesus stands and those that are still alive at this point will be sealed with righteousness and will be translated when Jesus comes in the clouds. Rev:1315: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. The government will “speaketh” by making a law and when they “cause” it to go into effect, saints will be persecuted."
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Jesus standing up in Daniel 12 is the close of probation!!! But He stands up 30 days before the 1290 day!! The 1290 th day is "THE END OF TIME" TM 114-115. The 7 last plagues commence the very moment probation closes. The living saints are numbered and sealed "one hundred forty-four thousand in number" [EW 15] just prior to Jesus standing up. The 1290 day is when the Father speaks from heaven during the 7th Trumpet/Plague saying "IT IS DONE". 45 days later with the living saints all receiving glorified bodies by the Father when He spoke from heaven they will know EXACTLY WHEN Jesus returns because the Father has just told them. The 1335 th day is when Jesus is seen in the clouds to raise all the righteous dead from all ages, saying "awake, awake, AWAKE ye that sleep in the dust". This is when Daniel will come to life because the Life Giver promised to raise him then after he has rested in the grave for 2500 years.
Jachob's trouble last three and one-half days and ends on the 1290 th day when the Father glorifies them.
Adventist will always be like a fish out of the water in understanding this end of the world chapter [Daniel 12] UNTIL they study Daniel !2 with Revelation 10 & 11.

Newbie
After Doug Batchelor came out of the closet concerning Daniel 12 the week that Daniel 12 was being considered by "the church" SS Quarterly, I made a recording "Examining the teachings of Doug Batchelor on Daniel 12" It is easy to find this CD & listen to online of where I cover all the bases on this subject. Just use any search engine with a few of the above words in quote marks. Do you realize with him placing Daniel 12 in the future he was going against church authority, why this is open rebellion against the church is is bringing thousands into. How do you figgure all this out? Maybe you need to hear my CD "Evangelism in a Can" that can be found somewhere the same way, where I not only identify the problem, but also the solution.

Newbie for you to agree with Doug Batchelor on the "one/hour/onehour/onehour" being 45 days shows that both of you have stepped off the platform of truth by applying the "day for a year rule" after 1844. The SOP he professes to believe in states [in our mother tongue English] that he is sadly mistaken, as “prophetic time closed in 1844” EW 243
Or look up a few of these words found on page 972 of 7A “the longest reckoning of prophetic time reaches to the autumn of 1844, after this there can be no definite reckoning of prophetic time”. If you had only listen closely to his words in his attempt to explain Daniel 12, you would have heard him say this thought came from another mortal. See right there is were we differ, I follow the KJV & the SOP
About you loving the church! What makes you think I don’t, is it just because other surface readers have suggested this when I provide a thus sayeth the Lord to every point I make against their leaning on man study guides? I attended the school every day the teacher wrote on the blackboard after she told me to stop pulling the ponytail of the girl in front of me these words. “A thus sayeth the Lord is not to be set aside for a thus sayeth the CHURCH or state.” SOP
Doug Batchelor has the 7 last plagues lasting 45 days AFTER the Father has raised the dead and told the living saints the “day and hour” when Jesus will return. Sorry Doug! Nice try, but all wrong as my CD to you stated months ago. Come out of that deception you are teaching, there is a new generation of children you are leading astray.

newbie wrote:

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I do not agree with everything Doug B. says.
7 last plagues lasting 45 days AFTER the Father has raised the dead and told the living saints the “day and hour” when Jesus will retu
I also think he is wrong about the timing of the raising of the saints.

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Now that is the most intelligent decision I have seen made all day...

Dear Bros & Sis in Christ

While you topic is one of the most interesting puzzles of end-time prophecy.  There is some significant events that occur prior to Dan 11 & 12 and Rev 13 to 16.  The ultimate deception of Satan is when he comes and impersonates Jesus, with all sorts of counterfeit miracles and signs and wonders (to deceive the very elect as we are warned in the Bible).  Closer look at Ellen Whites writings all point to a rise of spiritualism and the state of the dead.  Since Jesus has been given the keys/authority of death and hades from the Father shortly after the cross it is Satan's deception to mock the very government of God by any means.  Firstly Satan makes the world drunk and at first you are probably not even aware of it, little compromises, like a movie with a person such as the Matrix or Star Wars with extraordinary powers that sucks you in.  Then Satan plays his next card Buffy and the (evil) Angel followed by his latest offering Ghost Whisper.

Then after people have accepted the likes above go down to their friend church and there is statures there that bleed or some other apperition.  This sort of delusion is growing faster that you can say Coke A Cola.

Remember, Watch and beware least you fall into temptation. For the Spirit is Willing but the flesh is weak.

Jeffery Fitzsimmons

cityfitz@hotmail.com

2 Thessalonians (Chapt2:1-12)

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

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The Great Controversey (1911) p.624

    Fearful sights of a supernatural character will soon be revealed in the heavens, in token of the power of miracle-working demons. The spirits of devils will go forth to the kings of the earth and to the whole world, to fasten them in deception, and urge them on to unite with Satan in his last struggle against the government of heaven. By these agencies, rulers and subjects will be alike deceived. Persons will arise pretending to be Christ Himself, and claiming the title and worship which belong to the world's Redeemer. They will perform wonderful miracles of healing and will profess to have revelations from heaven contradicting the testimony of the Scriptures.  {GC 624.1}
     As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour's advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. Revelation 1:13-15. The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air: "Christ has come! Christ has come!" The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed His disciples when He was upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion.

Dear Bros & Sis in Christ

 

An issue regarding Daniel chapter 11 and Revelation 13 I wanted to raise is: an image to the beast.  For years I have always believed that these verses are one in the same, what do you think?

 

Regards

Jeffery Fitzsimmons

cityfitz@hotmail.com

Daniel 11:38-39

38"But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. 39"Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.

 

Revelation 13:13:16

13He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

I could not find that reference but I read a wealth of what else was there.  The people that set up the site refer to Jesus as a prophet.  They also believe that Dan 11 is referring to what is going on in the middle east today.  Those references for our time are symbolic.  Sorry, I can't agree with much of what was stated there.

Friends.

I believe you would be greatly enlightened if you would go to www.wake-up.org and start reading what is there under "Articles" starting with the one in November 1995 and don't stop reading until you have come to this present day before making a judgement. I believe you are looking for Truth and with an open mind, you can make great advancements in God's word. I believe with much of what you are saying, but not all.  This web site will help fine tune what you know and believe and it will help (as it did me and my family) to arrive at greater and present truths.

Howard-san, Thank you for that web site url.  Many things being taught there are i believe excellent truths, new light, that the people of the end time need to study.  I would say i agree with 80% of it, with the core teaching - that many things in Revelation are still future - is absolutely correct.

You know what, we need to call a conference of people around the world who are studying the prophecies in this vein, and in the power and leading of the Holy Spirit, come to a better understanding of the end-time events.