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So, you say the shaking is the message of the true Witness to the church of Laodicia.  Who is the true Witness in this case?  And, what time period does this shaking take place.  Is it before the Sunday Law, during or after?


 


 


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Not quite about The Shaking, newbie.  What causes The Shaking?  Yes, the True Witness is the initiator, but it is caused by the straight testimony given forth by those who accept the True Witness's counsel to the Laodiceans.  The TW is Jesus, and the Laodiceans are SDAs as a church, not as individuals, altho most of the individuals are in that state now.


The Shaking seems to take place BEFORE the Sunday Law. But perhaps the last part of it is during the Sunday Law timeframe?  It just seems to me that a SL would be so big, that if it was the cause of The Shaking, we would know about that from the Great Controversy book.  But it just says that the Saints heeded the counsel of the TW, then poured forth the straight truth and raised the standard, and then they went forth like soldiers giving the Loud Cry.  The LC is going to make the world mad at us, as the power of GOD will be with us.  What have you found in your studies?



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I believe that the shaking is going to happen during the time frame of the SL and the LC.  Those that don't have the HS will be left out and will have the wrong mark.


At least that is what I believe today.


I figured that the true Witness was Jesus as it is always capitalized in the GC.


 



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newbie wrote:

I believe that the shaking is going to happen during the time frame of the SL and the LC.  Those that don't have the HS will be left out and will have the wrong mark.
At least that is what I believe today.
I figured that the true Witness was Jesus as it is always capitalized in the GC.
 



Newbie I am sure you know that probation for SDA comes before that of the world at large. Once the Loud Cry begins, that is the cut off date for all fence-walking Adventist. If anyone is waiting for the Loud Cry to empower them in getting rid of any remaining besetments, that class of people will go over to the side of the Sunday keepers. If Adventist were only allow the freedom to use bible chapters that apply to the future instead of placing them in the past & scattering hirling colporers with Uncle Author Bed Time Stories as nourshment they wouldn't be so sickly on endtime event timing.

The week that I was booted off Richard O'Ffills forum was the week he was in Sacramento Central for Sabbath School being on satlite dishes being beamed to the world. Him and Doug told more jokes in one hour than the world at large does on Saturday-Night Live for two hours. I was expecting at any moment to hear them do the skit of "Who's on first, What's on Second & I Don't Know is on third." like Abbot & Costello did years ago. But being a witness in these end times with a present truth message opposition is in the air we breath from hirling shepherds.
"Every new truth has made its way against hatred and opposition." GC 409

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Ed that's interesting that he was gone when you were deleted.  I wonder what was going on there?


I've watch a lot of Doug B. and ususally he makes fun of himself and not others.


My feeling is that they really weren't "telling Jokes" as we usually think of it but rather pointing out things in life that have a twist.


I think they were trying to liven things up and make sure people didn't fall asleep.  If you have a really good message but people are falling asleep that what's the point?


I agree that the truth has to be presented clear and straight forward.  But, there is nothing wrong with giving an illustration for the point of rememberance.


Maybe some of the laughing was a bit of nervousness?????  Doug's delivery is very good and many have been convicted.


 


 


 



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Newbie
A webmaster doesn't need to be at his command post to kick someone telling the truth off his forum, he could have use the one in Doug's office as they were going over their skit.
You did hear Richard tell Doug "You know Doug we are all just dirty old men" that nearly brought down the house. but he was just getting warmed up. When he cracked the big funny, Dough laughed and said "Wow, even I can't top that one". & etc. & etc. You know what I am talking about.
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"What can the minister do without Jesus? Verily, nothing. Then if he is a frivolous, joking man, he is not prepared to perform the duty laid upon him by the Lord. "Without Me," says Christ, "ye can do nothing." The flippant words that fall from his lips, the trifling anecdotes, the words spoken to create a laugh, are all
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condemned by the word of God and are entirely out of place in the sacred desk. {TM 142.2}


I tell you plainly, brethren, unless the ministers are converted, our churches will be sickly and ready to die. God's power alone can change the human heart and imbue it with the love of Christ. God's power alone can correct and subdue the passions and sanctify the affections. All who minister must humble their proud hearts, submit their will to the will of God, and hide their life with Christ in God. {TM 143.1}

What is the object of the ministry? Is it to mix the comical with the religious? The theater is the place for such exhibitions.

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And just think, my mother told me correctly when growing up that when I went into a theater, my guarding angel waited outside, & isn't it a shame when attending church you guarding angel could be outside?

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I see what you mean Ed but I think there should be a balance.  I try to stir things up sometimes when I'm teaching so people don't sleep.  But, I hope I'm not "acting" as much as trying to get the point across.  I do make lots of analogies to try and drive home the point.


Sometimes things will just happen that surprise us and it is funny.  There is nothing wrong with having a good laugh is there?



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Ed,


Were you raised SDA?  Well, I wasn't and I'm just learning this.  We have an elder in our church that is loved by everyone but he does laugh and tell amusing stories all the time.  Is this not correct?  He always uses good taste and it is never off color at all.


Are we supposed to go around looking like we've been sucking on lemons?


 


 


 


 


 



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Ed White

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Newbie maybe Doug can answer you question about you elder with funny stories, he may need something fresh thats funny so he can use on the international air waves.
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All these wonderful truths in Revelation that God's professed ministers have not understood properly and men of the cloth in Adventism are just grinning their way to heaven and raising up another generation to do the same. Do yourself a favor and look up a few of these SOP words "They misinterpepreted the messages send them and clothed themselved in robes of self-righteousness. They taught falsehood as truth, and by them many souls were let astray."

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Were you raised SDA?  Did your parents come in first?  Or did your grandparents?  Just curious that's all.

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Were you raised SDA?  Did your parents come in first?  Or did your grandparents?  Just curious that's all.



Newbie, my mother read herself into the Adventist message [Signs Of The Times] about 3 years before I was born. One of her brother in laws that came from a "respectable" faith, the Church Of Christ thought she had gone off the deep end saying, "Edith has that crazy religion & besides she has to many kids”. Well she hung in there raising her 5 children in the church, became an Adventist nurse in an Adventist hospital for 20 years where she could educate her daughters in "this crazy religion”. Of course I always knew for 50 years that my mother made the right decision in leaving the Baptist church where her parents were established there as Sunday school teachers for years & years. But with them being honest people only mistaken, when they saw the truth of my mothers teaching, they stopped being mistaken and became members in the SDA church. But terrorist teaching spurious teaching came in very subtle at the start about the time my mother was coming in and it took me 30 years sitting in Adventist and never saying a word all those years to figure out what they were really saying. Now today I think maybe my Uncle that told my mother about “crazy religion” might have known more than I gave him credit in knowing. It’s the “policy men” in our ranks that worship “the church” more that they worship God that causing most of the problems we are having. Satan doesn’t need to lead everyone astray, just get a score “policy men” with a silver tongue that kiss the ring of everyone above them & keep their thumb on everyone below them. This is the way to move up the corporate ladder in church circles. And all the while, truth is fallen in the streets, but I have good news because I picked up a few of those fallen truths and I don’t make no bones about presenting them. Stay tuned…also bring you bible with you as you check me out.

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I'm ready.  KJV in hand. 

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You are kicking against the pricks, Ed.  The Seventh-day Adventist church is God's only approved body of believers.  Your constant kicking at it in deragatory terms that do not help anyone, even calling its teaching "terrorist", is from Satan.


You do have a lot of excellent material on end-time events, and i pray that you will stop fighting against God's chosen church, and concentrate on sighing and crying for the abominations done in the church, rather than just telling your funny jokes describing God's church in the crudest manner possible.


We must come together in the truth, in faith, and in the love of God.



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There should not be any levity at all in the pulpit, newbie.  Something may come up in the course of the talk causing a smile or even a laugh, and while that may be different, an intentional laugher - to make the audience laugh at some joke, is not from God.


I'm sure Jesus used a lot of smiles in his speeches, but i have yet to find one "joke" in the Bible.



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Thanks for the clarification.....  I will respect that.

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webmaster wrote:

You are kicking against the pricks, Ed.  The Seventh-day Adventist church is God's only approved body of believers.  Your constant kicking at it in deragatory terms that do not help anyone, even calling its teaching "terrorist", is from Satan.
You do have a lot of excellent material on end-time events, and i pray that you will stop fighting against God's chosen church, and concentrate on sighing and crying for the abominations done in the church, rather than just telling your funny jokes describing God's church in the crudest manner possible.
We must come together in the truth, in faith, and in the love of God.



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These charges against me is this something you know first hand, or is it what other people have repeated with-in the sound of your ears? You know that many surface readers of scripture that are down on what they are not up on, as a defense to not studying for themselves find a favorite evangelist that knows his memory work in order to graduate [being taught from one mans mind] and make that their belief system. Well I didn''t go to that school. Just rememberas I do with ever post I make this SOP statement "Nothing so offends God as an act that injours the influence of those doing God's service". 6T, about page 42

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All anyone has to do Ed is to read any of your writings to see that you believe that you are the only one with the truth. According to you all the evangelists from Jeff Pippinger to Doug Bachelor, and all between are wrong. Who do you agree with. We all have our peculiar human traits which God allows us to see so that we don't become disciples of men, but to constantly elevate these traits will turn many away from God, not just the ones you disagree with.

God Bless you
Jeff W

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