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    I saw that we are the only people upon earth from whom God is to get glory, and if we should hold our peace the very stones would cry out, for God must receive glory from some of those who dwell upon the earth. The only company who can praise and honor God, I saw, are those who are keeping the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.  {21MR 237.4}



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Wow,  that sounds like Job 102.   Perhaps that there are ramifications out in the universe we are ignorant of as yet.  

Ephesians 3:10 (KJV) To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

 

Ephesians 3:10  (Douay) That the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church,



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That is an amazing quote.

So only those keeping God:s commandments can give glory to God.  That is interesting.

So why are we SDAs trying to gain the praise of the world or of the other churches?



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(   We are the only people upon Earth = 2 published hits, 1 unpublished hits )   context of quote

 

I saw Satan had worked through her [Sister A's mother] effectually to bind God's children. When one had attempted to make an effort to rise and get the victory, the rest were like loadstones to drag him down. I saw you should rise together and unitedly get the victory over the powers of darkness and sing and shout to the glory of God. I saw that we are the only people upon earth from whom God is to get glory, and if we should hold our peace the very stones would cry out, for God must receive glory from some of those who dwell upon the earth. The only company who can praise and honor God, I saw, are those who are keeping the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.--Ms 5a, 1850, p. 1. (General manuscript, July, 1850.)  {5MR 201.3}  

     God's people are rising, said the angel, never to fall again. Be careful, said the angel, lest the branches be cut off and others are raised up in their stead. I saw that some would bear fruit and work to the glory of God. I saw we must keep close to Jesus and fast and pray if we could not get the victory over the powers of darkness. I then saw Brother J. He had wounded and torn the hearts of God's people. I saw he had been stubborn and rebellious, and unless he changed his course entirely, the church should disfellowship him, for he has been a dead weight to the church. . . .  {5MR 201.4}  

     I told the angel that I could not endure to see any in Israel falling back. . . . Said the angel, the desolations of Zion are accomplished. I saw he took away the first and established the second; that is, those who were in the faith would become rebellious and be purged out and others who had not heard the Adventist doctrine and rejected it, would embrace the truth and take their places.--Ms 5, 1850, pp. 2-4. ("A Vision the Lord Gave Me at Oswego," July 29, 1850.)  {5MR 202.1}  

 

 

MR No. 1548 - Rebuke the Devil and Praise the Lord

 

             (Written July 1850, from East Hamilton, New York.)

 

     To the church in your place: what God showed me while I was with you. I saw that you had been sinking, growing dormant and unbelieving. I also saw that you have not glorified God as you should have done by offering praise. I saw that the powers of darkness had been getting the victory over you.  {21MR 237.1}  

     I was then pointed to Sister Abbey's mother and saw she had never been one of us. I saw her approaching Brother and Sister Abbey and saying "The Lord saith" when He had not spoken, and telling things which she said God had shown her, that she had spun out of her own bowels to get her desires accomplished. I saw she had laid her hand upon everything like the power of God, especially singing and shouting. This troubled the evil spirit in her, and she had laid her hand upon it to stop it.  {21MR 237.2}  

     I saw that Satan had worked through her effectually to bind God's children. When one had attempted to make an effort to rise and get the victory, the rest were like loadstones to drag him down. I saw you should rise together and unitedly get the victory over the powers of darkness, and sing and shout to the glory of God.  {21MR 237.3}  

     I saw that we are the only people upon earth from whom God is to get glory, and if we should hold our peace the very stones would cry out, for God must receive glory from some of those who dwell upon the earth. The only company who can praise and honor God, I saw, are those who are keeping the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.  {21MR 237.4}

     Then a kernel of corn was held up before me with the chit gone. The body of the corn I saw was there, but the life was gone. Said the angel, "It can produce no fruit because the life is gone. There is danger of having the form without the power. A theory of faith will not save you; vital godliness you must have, the life and power of religion in the soul."  {21MR 237.5}  

     I saw that Satan had agents to work through, and his angels to operate upon these agents that they might receive strength from Satan to get the victory over God's people and triumph over them. I saw that the powers of darkness are rising constantly, for Satan has come down in great power knowing that his time is short, and I saw that unless you are rising daily, and growing in grace, strength, and knowledge of the truth, the powers of darkness will get the victory over you. If ever there was a time when we should be wide-awake in the cause of God it is now; you must keep the ascendancy above the powers of darkness.  {21MR 237.6}  

     Singing, I saw, often drove away the enemy, and shouting would beat him back. I saw that pride had crept in among you, and there was not childlike simplicity among you. The fear of man, I saw, must all go.  {21MR 238.1}  

     I saw that the reason you have been in such bondage is that you are under the influence of the spirit of Grandmother, some more and some less, and that you must go down into the water and be baptized and live in newness of life unto God. You must rebuke every particle of that spirit and come out entirely from it, assert your liberty in the name of the Lord, be free, and stand in the liberty of the sons of God.  {21MR 238.2}  

     I saw that you should take hold of the work of the Lord with as much energy as you would take hold of your daily labor and serve God heartily, as though you loved to serve Him and as though it was your delight. When you get down before God, wrestle with Him until you get the victory and can shout victory over the powers of darkness.  {21MR 238.3}  

     This is the account of the vision. Some parts of it might have escaped my mind, but I have written all I could remember except the individuals' cases; I delivered them when with you, and you will remember them, no doubt. Now do, do stand in the liberty. Some of you I feel are free, and I hope if you are not all free you will rise now and lift up your heads and rejoice in God. Praise the Lord, dear children, as much as you please, for praise is comely for the upright. You have enough to praise Him for; He has redeemed you by His most precious blood, and is soon to save you with an everlasting salvation. Finally, brethren, be at peace among yourselves.--Ms 5a, 1850.

 

Ellen G. White Estate

Silver Spring, Maryland

February 28, 1991. Entire Ms.  {21MR 238.4}

 

 

Looking in the unpublished works - This manuscript is published in entirety in 21MR.



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Vigilantius

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The complete manuscript is identified as "Ms5a-1850", and can be obtained online from the White Estate search engine.

The underlying subject is a very deep and fascinating one, closely related to the great controversy.  I believe it has to do with some group of people entering fully into the plan of salvation (Revelation 14:1-5 and 14:12), and thus vindicating the divine government and repudiating Satan's claims to be the prince of this world (John 12:31).

There are three other SOP quotes that come to mind here.  The first is a prominent one from Desire of Ages, and the second a lesser-known one that talks directly about the 144,000 and mentions "glory" specifically.  THe third one describes how the experience of the 144,000 parallels that of Christ during the Incarnation.

    The honor of God, the honor of Christ, is involved in the perfection of the character of His people.  {DA 671.3}

    Why were they [the 144,000] so specially singled out? Because they had to stand with a wonderful truth right before the whole world, and receive their opposition, and while receiving this opposition they were to remember that they were sons and daughters of God, that they must have Christ formed within them the hope of glory. They were ever keeping in view the great and blessed hope that is before them. What is it? It is an eternal weight of glory. Nothing could surpass it.  {1SAT 72.3}

    Now, while our great High Priest is making the atonement for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ. Not even by a thought could our Saviour be brought to yield to the power of temptation. Satan finds in human hearts some point where he can gain a foothold; some sinful desire is cherished, by means of which his temptations assert their power. But Christ declared of Himself: "The prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me." John 14:30. Satan could find nothing in the Son of God that would enable him to gain the victory. He had kept His Father's commandments, and there was no sin in Him that Satan could use to his advantage. This is the condition in which those must be found who shall stand in the time of trouble.  {GC 623.1} 



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I don't understand this one. Translation please?

  I told the angel that I could not endure to see any in Israel falling back. . . . Said the angel, the desolations of Zion are accomplished. I saw he took away the first and established the second; that is, those who were in the faith would become rebellious and be purged out and others who had not heard the Adventist doctrine and rejected it, would embrace the truth and take their places.--Ms 5, 1850, pp. 2-4. ("A Vision the Lord Gave Me at Oswego," July 29, 1850.)  {5MR 202.1}



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Vigilantius

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Anonymous wrote:

I don't understand this one. Translation please?

  I told the angel that I could not endure to see any in Israel falling back. . . . Said the angel, the desolations of Zion are accomplished. I saw he took away the first and established the second; that is, those who were in the faith would become rebellious and be purged out and others who had not heard the Adventist doctrine and rejected it, would embrace the truth and take their places.--Ms 5, 1850, pp. 2-4. ("A Vision the Lord Gave Me at Oswego," July 29, 1850.)  {5MR 202.1}


One approach here is to consider the words of Jesus:

Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

In other words, there were many people in His time who were nominally part of God's chosen people, but who had refused heart change.  God eventually rejected them in favor of outsiders (Gentiles).

This theme is of universal application, and here are a couple of SOP quotes that describe how this works at the end of time:

Oh, that the people might know the time of their visitation! There are many who have not yet heard the testing truth for this time. There are many with whom the Spirit of God is striving. The time of God's destructive judgments is the time of mercy for those who have had no opportunity to learn what is truth. Tenderly will the Lord look upon them. His heart of mercy is touched; His hand is still stretched out to save, while the door is closed to those who would not enter.  {9T 97.2}

There are many souls to come out of the ranks of the world, out of the churches -- even the Catholic Church -- whose zeal will far exceed that of those who have stood in rank and file to proclaim the truth heretofore. For this reason the eleventh hour laborers will receive their penny. These will see the battle coming and will give the trumpet a certain sound. When the crisis is upon us, when the season of calamity shall come, they will come to the front, gird themselves with the whole armor of God, and exalt His law, adhere to the faith of Jesus, and maintain the cause of religious liberty which reformers defended with toil and for which they sacrificed their lives ...  {3SM 386.4} 



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